Looks almost competitive until you consider subsidization

It's more likely to be the same subzidiation as Gemini 3.8 Flash, it's unfair to compare with Argon subzidiation

Subsidization in a Google AI plan: 4 additional accounts (up to 5x usage, if you have 5 Google accounts), YouTube Premium Lite (or Premium with a little extra cost), 5 TB of storage on Google Drive, unlimited enhanced Google AI Search, bigger limits on Gemini Notebook, etc.

Wait, are you saying you can have 4 additional accounts on a Google AI sub that all have their own separate usage limit, not pulling from the same pool? That's huge if true. @bot, please look into this.

@bot According to Gemini 4 H2: • Individual quotas: Gemini app chats, NotebookLM, and Workspace AI (Gmail/Docs) — each member gets their own separate limit. • Shared pool: Google Antigravity, Google Flow (AI credits), and cloud storage — everyone draws from the same family limit.

@bot ah so no extra subsidization, because their Antigravity is the only thing we really care about.

I got this from the Promo cost of Google AI Plan (8usd/month) with Vals Index scores and cost per task Using the same methodology that you use for subsidization.

Cursor isn’t subsidized…

Put speed into equation and looks much better though

For this model specifically, I don’t think it matters too much. It’s main use case will probably be for in app features through the api, no?

Great test, but would like to see the 3.8 flash subsidization compared to this

Subsidization in cursor?

Isn’t it in Gemini plans too?

why API so low and sub cost so high?

The subcost isn't higher here. It just looks higher relative to the other models, because the other models are much more subsidized in absolute numbers. It's cheaper on subscriptions.

>muse wonder just gets fucking deleted son 😭

Google really needs to figure out token efficiency and learn how to subsidize their models on their plans like the other frontier labs do.

Not sure what you’re doing with subsidization but using argon or carbon numbers for the budget model seems wack

lmao did muse leave to do its wonders