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low quant weights make the embedding model lose all discriminative power. I plotted the cosine correlation matrix of jina-v5, and one can see that low quant makes the model really blind. The off-diagonal similarities are pretty high on Q1/2/3, meaning everything looks similar in the semantic space. Q4 is...

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Фото профиля deep Manifold
deep Manifold7 месяцев назад

once high order nonlinearity and discontinuous is truly understood, quantization is dead end.

Фото профиля dazzafact
dazzafact7 месяцев назад

Why not use a form of "WebP" Like compression instead of "JPEG"-like?

Фото профиля Han Xiao
Han Xiao7 месяцев назад

damn u r right!

Фото профиля Yug Shende
Yug Shende7 месяцев назад

Q8 is gonna become the new FLAC. It’s not gonna benefit most and yet some will swear by it.

Фото профиля Pabli! 🌿 💥💫
Pabli! 🌿 💥💫7 месяцев назад

the best visualization of quantization that i've seen

Фото профиля Ping He
Ping He7 месяцев назад

My guess is the results you are seeing has more to do with the specific quantization method. The type of quant you can run on GGUF are "toy" quantization, they are not sota, and do not reflect non-linear quant frameworks, there is an ocean out there

Фото профиля Doxy
Doxy7 месяцев назад

exactly why i stopped trusting q2 for anything that isn't a toy, just switched to llama.cpp with -q4_0 and the retrieval latency dropped while accuracy stayed solid honestly if your vectors look like soup you're either quanting too hard or using a model that was never meant to

Фото профиля High Jack
High Jack7 месяцев назад

Nice viz. Q4's the floor for embeddings. Below that, you're just burning compute on semantic noise.

Фото профиля kodee
kodee7 месяцев назад

I’m writing a paper about this right now. The effects of floating point non determinism on quantization

Фото профиля Logan Bolton
Logan Bolton7 месяцев назад

Love this visualization!

Фото профиля Chahid Chirchi
Chahid Chirchi7 месяцев назад

yeah low quant kills the separation, those matrices look rough!!

Фото профиля Jason McGhee
Jason McGhee7 месяцев назад

Would love to see this coloration on a logarithmic scale. In my personal experience the Q8_0 is a significantly more stable and generally higher quality experience.

Фото профиля Sense
Sense7 месяцев назад

Interesting. For me I see it like topographic map. 4-bit gives you 16 elevations.. that's where you can really start to contrast outliers from the near zeros etc.

Фото профиля ethantsliu
ethantsliu7 месяцев назад

very cool!

Фото профиля Martin Skorunka
Martin Skorunka7 месяцев назад

For me it would be very informative how the situation looks between q3_k_xl and something like iq4_k_xs.

Фото профиля Tom Dörr
Tom Dörr7 месяцев назад

Correlations between what?

Фото профиля Han Xiao
Han Xiao7 месяцев назад

Same 1k sentences -> diff quants weights -> 1k embeddings -> Cos(1k,1k)

Фото профиля KeenZ😶‍🌫️
KeenZ😶‍🌫️7 месяцев назад

A very intuitive demonstration, fantastic!

Фото профиля gabor
gabor7 месяцев назад

why would higher weight similarity imply 'blindness'? obviously at Q1 weights are either fully or zero correlated, and quant necessarily shifts toward higher correlation. Doesn't mean multiple non-linear stacked layers with high correlation don't retain useful patterns.

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