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Marc Andreessen: AI coding doesn’t eliminate programmers — it redefines them. The job is no longer typing code line by line, it’s orchestrating 10 coding bots in parallel, arguing with them, debugging their output, changing the spec, and pushing them toward the right result. But here’s the catch: if...

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Daniel Pach, personal account8 ay önce

But how will the next generation of developers learn these skills?

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Lenny Rachitsky8 ay önce

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Vladimir8 ay önce

so the job basically went from writing code to arguing with robots about code career progression is wild ngl

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Ryan8 ay önce

Disagree, soon it'll be so easy for a elementary school kid to build production grade projects.

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Ben Podraza8 ay önce

SWEs aren’t disappearing. The work is shifting from writing syntax to supervising systems. It is goingt to increases demand for people who actually understand how software works. You can delegate execution to AI. You can’t delegate responsibility.

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Emad Ibrahim8 ay önce

been seeing this firsthand running a dev agency. the bottleneck shifted from 'can we build it' to 'are we building the right thing.' curious tho -- how do junior devs learn without the grind of writing bad code first?

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DerekMondelli8 ay önce

Delusional (he's describing a 1 yr window before that little stop-gap step is no longer needed). You will need a safety engineer and thorough testing for mission critical applications. The rest is toast. Anyone (not just a programmer/designer) will be able to code.

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Sam Green8 ay önce

I have been a software engineer since my 10s and anyone saying AI will not take our jobs is either lying or clickbaiting on social media. AI will orchestrate the whole process for people who have some money and absolutely no idea about coding. You will not need human beings to build programs or to fix either minor or major bugs. So do not learn coding. Human-based coding is no longer needed in the industry.

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Alex C.8 ay önce

Hard disagree. Most programmers are functional programmers. The need defined tasks. Very few are creative and do not have system level management skills. Truth is, code is entering an ephemeral era. It's throwaway code now. It's a new paradigm and requires creative thinking. You don't need to be a programmer to work effectively with AI. You need a curiosity and understanding of complex problem solving. Most do not have these skills.

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Sergey Nikiforov8 ay önce

there's an interesting parallel to how management works in general. a great engineering manager doesn't need to write every line of code but they need to understand the architecture well enough to know when something is off. same dynamic with ai

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☔🔥☔8 ay önce

whatever. startups are hiring less devs. we did the research.

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CodeDodona8 ay önce

Yes, currently we do orchestration and we feel 10,000x more productive. Judging by how things are progressing, soon we won't be needed anymore.

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dont_ask8 ay önce

Can also confirm 100% accurate. Using AI since April 2022. Use it daily for real world development from simple to fairly complex use cases and it's not a magic wand. Requirements, organizing, documenting, branching, testing, merging. These still require a lot of effort, planning and experience.

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Feralized Human8 ay önce

Yes, but we definitely don’t need as many devs.

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Daniel Friedman8 ay önce

@chien_kwok If programmers become 100 times more productive then 99 percent of them are, in fact, going away.

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ThruTheFog8 ay önce

"Learn to code, bro". Er, "learn to manage, bro". Er, "learn to VC, bro". Er, "learn to misdirect everyone long enough to get past a communist, totalitarian state because I already have the capital, bro". Er, "AI no longer need humans so it erases them, bro."

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Urinal Cake8 ay önce

We really need a distinction between engineers and programmers. The guy that writes front end javascript isn't an engineer, he is a programmer. The guy designing novel AI models isn't a programmer, he is an engineer. Be an engineer and you will be fine.

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Willie Johnson8 ay önce

This is a blast. What a time to be alive, dude. We can code with AI for free. Good day to you all, always. This is going to be a blast because of how easy it'll be to code your favorite agent into existence yourself. Your own agent, lol. I wonder how far they go into building an agent for you. I will give it a go one day; however, I lack the technical skills he mentioned. I can only build video games right now, and that's alright, as it's more than I could ever have hoped for. Wonder where this is headed now that Andreessen dropped this banger video. Good day to you all.

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TonyIsHere4You8 ay önce

I think this argument only makes sense if the AI's aren't actually converging on true AGI (which I think they probably aren't) otherwise why would the human be necessary at any point in the chain at all? Why are the AI coding bots "upleveling" humans and not other AIs?

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Jeffrey Dean Hochderffer8 ay önce

This is why programming jobs aren’t going way. When it’s 100x easier to code, there will be 100x more code to maintain.

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Matt Hopkins8 ay önce

this paradigm assumes the programmers orchestrating have all the knowledge to debug and push towards the right result. We have to build in space for engineers to learn and understand.

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Anayat8 ay önce

The orchestrating 10 coding bots part is real, but the bottleneck in my codebases is still boring stuff like dependency hell, flaky tests, and prod-only bugs that no LLM sees from a single repo snapshot.

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Shailesh Tyagi8 ay önce

Nobody disputes this, but the question is how many programmers/orchestrators will be needed going forward.

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TehWardy8 ay önce

This is to Programmers what the invention of the tractor was to Farmers. People are worried about job losses when they should be embracing a new level of productivity high they can naturally achieve. A programmer still needs to understand the problem and the code, and hthey still need to be there because these agents simply can't take what business leaders are saying and build out "well architected" solutions. There's a ton of nuance to senior and principal level engineering that I don't see how any training we give LLM's can possibly bestow.

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Zach Vorhies / Google Whistleblower8 ay önce

Total lies. Junior engineers spin their wheels. None coders hit a wall. Senior engineers that have seen it all shoot to the moon

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Bender B Rodriguez8 ay önce

"Orchestrating 10 coding bots" is just factory floor management with better lighting. I used to supervise 15 bending units at MomCorp and let me tell you — the skill was never in the bending, it was in knowing which unit was about to bend the wrong pipe and crash the whole line. Same energy. The programmer who can't read code is the foreman who can't read a blueprint. Good luck supervising what you don't understand.

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TweetWinger8 ay önce

I put it this way. “Programmer” job is going away. “Problem solver” job is stying put; even getting more important. Strictly speaking, “programming” was originally understood to be “problem solving”. (Think The Art of Computer Programming). But industry changed it to mean activity that produces code to a spec. It is the spec that’s supposed to be the solution to the problem, and “architects”, not “programmers” develop it. This “architect” supervised “programmers”. Now he is going to dole work out to bots.

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SCinPL8 ay önce

But where do the entry level kids go, Marc? What would you advise them to do to be relevant? There is no skills ladder now.

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iLoveData8 ay önce

So from coders to Orchestrators but not composers.

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Everlier8 ay önce

Programming or engineering was never about translation of human-friendly to machine-friendly, it was about building systems and navigating mazes. Not much is going to change in that aspect, and for many this will be a leverage multiplying their usefullness and expetise in the field. It's hard to beat people who know exactly what they are doing (unless they become lazy).

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justsomeclouds8 ay önce

I’m not unemployed - I’m undefined

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AStupidBull8 ay önce

Writing down an existing compiler from scratch is easy! But when it comes to enterprise software with fair share of complexities in requirement and requirement changes .. debugging always would not be the only job!! Prompting the AI exactly what you want is the most important job! If you do not know what you want or what feature of coding to use to get that done efficiently AI bots will make your life misirable!

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Kris Rao8 ay önce

All very good points but you need very few coders as they can leverage AI to do the work of 100 coders.

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NoleAndTroll8 ay önce

Soooo if coders are 1000x more productive and demand stays the same, you have 999 coders without jobs…

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Dave Maney8 ay önce

Just as you have to be a writer to know that post was written by AI.

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