“Microtubules have orchestrated quantum oscillations that are completely synchronized and coherent.” “Anesthesia comes along and makes the orchestrated, synchronized quantum stuff random.” “It should be the Rosetta Stone for consciousness. It tells us potentially so much.” “If we’re right, it changes everything we think about brains, machines, and the... mind itself.” Scintillating chat with the father of quantum consciousness Stuart Hameroff ⬇️show more

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Here's the thing that confuses me:There isn't a drug that brings you back. What happens is they stop administering the anesthesia and when they do,the field reorganizes, consciousness returns.That tells me that it's not local, but I'm no expert. I just hope someone figures it out

He should check out the transferred potential experiments done by Dr Jacobo Grinberg and his Syntergic Field theory, while it not at extensive as what it has been done for Orch-OR it is the only other consciousness theory that has gathered som experimental evidence.

Sorry . We do not listen to Epstein associates . (Jeffrey Epstein was initially convicted in 2008 , by a Florida state court , of procuring a child for prostitution and soliciting a prostitute . Stuart Hameroff asked and received funding in 2017.) #EpsteinFiles

Oooh! Looking forward to this one. @StuartHameroff is always a fun podcast guest to host!

@StuartHameroff He's certainly a spicy one 🔥

'The Father'..? Anything but and far from. It's becoming increasingly concerning how much attention is still so freely given to this space. It has become more than a hindrance to science, it's a public health risk. You can have as much data was you could possibly desire. It becomes toxic waste when you can't chew, swallow and digest the information properly. When applied directly to the verifiable pathology of tauopathies like Alzheimer's disease and frontotemporal dementia, the specific mechanisms of Orch-OR highly accurately describe the biophysical destruction of the cognitive substrate. The hyperphosphorylation and detachment of tau, the active, aggressive severing of microtubules by katanin and spastin, and the resulting profound loss of cellular dynamicity map perfectly onto Orch-OR's framework of lost quantum coherence. Orch-OR is, inadvertently but undeniably, an exquisite theoretical model for the onset and progression of neurodegenerative cognitive collapse. Simultaneously, the highly documented public behavior of the theory's primary medical advocate, Stuart Hameroff, exhibits the exact psychological and psychiatric hallmarks of cognitive rigidity, executive dysfunction, and aggressive assertion. While traditionally dismissed by his peers merely as the eccentricities of a "pugnacious gadfly," these behaviors share a striking, undeniable symptomatic overlap with the early clinical stages of the very neurodegenerative diseases characterized by microtubular failure. On the balance of probability, synthesizing the biophysical data with the behavioral phenomenology, the evidence strongly suggests that the Orch-OR framework provides a highly accurate description of how consciousness degrades in dementia. The ultimate tragedy, and profound scientific irony, of the theory may lie in the undeniable observation that its author's relentless, unyielding, and highly aggressive defense of the hypothesis perfectly, behaviorally mirrors the pathological rigidification and cognitive collapse that the theory ultimately describes.

So if we figure out how to re-sync, wouldn't based on the mechanics of chaos theory, it be self similar but non-repeating? So it would be similar but not quite the same. This is not a troll comment, I have watched some relatives go through anesthesia and I don't know how to describe it besides like an acid bath in the brain, I'm not against it, but I've seen it have effects that unlike anything else. I may nonprofessional, but a sponge for information nonetheless

Stuart has no clue, as to what consciousness is. 😝

Hameroff is not "controversial" he is just plain irrelevant. His theory is NOT an explanation of the *structure* of consciousness (qualia)

This is a popularized summary of the Orch-OR (“Orchestrated Objective Reduction”) theory of consciousness, developed by physicist Sir Roger Penrose and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff since the mid-1990s. The phrasing (“father of quantum consciousness,” “quantum orchestra,” anesthesia as Rosetta Stone) points directly to recent interviews/podcasts with Hameroff (e.g., 2024–2025 discussions titled around “quantum orchestra” or similar, where he uses near-verbatim language). Here’s a breakdown of each part of the claim, its basis in the theory, supporting evidence, criticisms, and implications. 1. “Microtubules have orchestrated quantum oscillations that are completely synchronized and coherent.” Theory core: Inside neurons, microtubules (hollow protein tubes made of tubulin dimers) are proposed as sites for quantum computations. Tubulin subunits have oscillating electric dipoles or electron spins (terahertz → gigahertz → megahertz → kilohertz frequencies). These oscillations can enter quantum superposition (multiple states at once) and become coherently synchronized (“orchestrated”) across thousands-to-millions of tubulins via London forces, π-electron resonance rings (tryptophan networks), and microtubule-associated proteins (MAPs) acting as “conductors.” Gap junctions may allow coherence to spread between neurons. Evidence:2014 experiment (Anirban Bandyopadhyay’s group): Direct observation of quantum vibrations/resonances in microtubules at biological (warm, wet) temperatures; these can produce slower “beat frequencies” matching EEG. 2024 studies: Ultraviolet superradiance (collective quantum emission) confirmed in tryptophan networks within microtubules, even in thermal equilibrium. Spintronic/magnetic resonance models (2025 papers) suggest microtubules behave like nanoscale quantum oscillators. Criticism: Brain is “warm, wet, and noisy” → decoherence should destroy quantum states in femtoseconds (Tegmark 2000 calculation; repeated critiques 2009–2022). Superradiance claims sometimes use artificial conditions; ferritin in real cells may quench it. 2. “Anesthesia comes along and makes the orchestrated, synchronized quantum stuff random.” Theory: Anesthetics selectively erase consciousness (while sparing non-conscious functions like reflexes). Hameroff’s group models show they bind to hydrophobic pockets in tubulin, dampening the key terahertz quantum dipole oscillations (e.g., a prominent 613 THz “common mode” peak is abolished exactly in proportion to anesthetic potency). This causes decoherence → the coherent quantum process collapses into random classical noise, halting consciousness. Evidence:Computer simulations (Craddock/Hameroff 2017+) + spectroscopy: Anesthetics (but not non-anesthetics) disrupt π-resonance energy transfer in tubulin aromatics. 2024 rat study: Microtubule-stabilizing drug epothilone B delayed anesthetic-induced unconsciousness — direct causal link. Clinical correlation: Anesthetics act inside proteins via non-polar regions (Meyer-Overton rule update); microtubules, not membrane ion channels, now look like the primary target. Criticism: Traditional view was membrane lipids/proteins; some still argue classical effects suffice. Not all anesthetics have been tested at the quantum level. 3. “It should be the Rosetta Stone for consciousness. It tells us potentially so much.” Hameroff’s own phrasing (he’s said anesthesia is the “Rosetta Stone” because it selectively removes consciousness without stopping the rest of the brain). Cracking how/where anesthetics act should reveal the exact physical correlate of consciousness. Orch-OR claims this correlate is the orchestrated quantum coherence in microtubules. 4. “If we’re right, it changes everything we think about brains, machines, and the mind itself.” Implications if true:Brains: Not just classical neural networks; consciousness arises from quantum gravity-linked objective reduction (Penrose’s OR: superpositions self-collapse when spacetime curvature difference reaches a threshold, ~500 ms for ~10^11 tubulins). Links mind to fundamental physics/geometry of spacetime. Machines/AI: Classical computers (silicon, digital) cannot replicate non-computable OR events → no true consciousness in current or foreseeable AI (even massive neural nets). Quantum computers might, but only if they replicate the biological orchestration. Mind: Solves the “hard problem” (why we have subjective experience) by tying qualia to objective quantum state reductions. Suggests free will, binding problem solution, possible non-local/quantum aspects (NDEs, etc., though speculative). Overall Scientific Status (as of early 2026) Intriguing and gaining empirical traction: Quantum biology is now mainstream (photosynthesis, bird magnetoreception, olfaction). Microtubule-specific findings (vibrations, superradiance, anesthetic disruption, stabilizer experiments) are real and published in peer-reviewed journals. Orch-OR has made ~20 testable predictions since 1998; several (quantum MT vibrations, anesthesia link) are partially confirmed; none definitively refuted. Still fringe/speculative: No direct proof that these quantum events produce consciousness rather than just correlate with it. Mainstream neuroscience/cognitive science overwhelmingly favors classical emergent computation (100 billion neurons, trillions of synapses). Decoherence problem remains the biggest hurdle, though proponents argue biological isolation (gel-like cytosol, ordered water, etc.) protects coherence. Not pseudoscience: Actively researched, revised with new data, falsifiable. Hameroff/Penrose continue publishing updates (e.g., 2014, 2020s reviews). Bottom line: The claims faithfully represent Orch-OR — not established fact, but a serious, evidence-backed hypothesis that is far more testable today than in the 1990s. The “changes everything” rhetoric is typical enthusiastic interview style, but the underlying idea is philosophically profound and scientifically live. If future experiments (e.g., direct measurement of MT quantum coherence during conscious vs. anesthetized states, or quantum effects blocked without affecting classical firing) confirm it, it really would rewrite neuroscience, AI ethics, and our picture of mind. For now, it’s one of the most interesting “long-shot” explanations on the table.

this is 100% you can make a quantum battery using microtubules, there is a strange phenomena when water enters a microtube in that it generates a charge - you csn perpetually harvest the chsege.

Richard Feynman said, "It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge what energy is. We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount."

I don’t see how correlation of oscillating microtubules explain consciousness? Explain why a certain oscillating gives rise to something.

Please ask him what the energy itself is that composes quantum consciousness?

@SterlingCooley Dudes got a thing for lamps huh

Orch-OR is one of the boldest hypotheses in neuroscience. If coherent quantum processes in microtubules are functionally relevant, that would indeed reshape how we model consciousness. But the key questions remain: • Can quantum coherence survive at brain temperature long enough to matter? • Is there direct experimental evidence linking microtubule states to conscious states? • How does this integrate with the overwhelming evidence for large-scale network dynamics driving cognition? Anesthesia is fascinating here, but we still need clear causal bridges from molecular events → neural computation → subjective experience. Provocative idea. Extraordinary claims now need extraordinary experimental resolution. Very curious to see what the next decade of measurements reveals.

The father of quantum consciousness? I demand a genetic test. 🤣

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Sounds like complete bullshit and woo to me.

the compression cylinders of reality from the conscious engine of the dreamer.

All-Father how do u turn off 'Quantum Tinnitus' lets go..

@DisclosureUAP The microtubules might be acting as wave guides for thought quanta to expand consciousness into the scalar realms?

Not just microtubules,whole system like a spindle? Light code infrastructure? 🤔🧬 ⚕️ @elonmusk @neuralink @keysofenoch

@grok

It will change everything we think we know about the Universe as a whole.

Microtubules with orchestrated quantum oscillations as the Rosetta Stone for consciousness. Anesthesia disrupts coherence → body is a temporary vehicle the agent drives with thought. Changes everything for brains, machines, and the intelligence return cycle. #CelestialEcology

Then, would it be possible to stabilize or destabilize this by external forces causing the right vibration frequency? Maybe this is how ufo abduction victims loose consciousness?

And just how do we know that “microtubules have orchestrated quantum oscillations… etc.” when any conceivable event detector can observe only one quantum event at one time?

Nope. Nonsense. Even Penrose is saying he should not have become involved with this program. It is simply the old (mostly dead) materialist view stomping its feet again.

Many nowadays just say there are "circuit activities" like any computer and there a "circuit features" and effects that could be the actuall subjective field or whatever. Whos against microtubules in those? Guy might be predicating his position on a straw man arg.