Scientists have found evidence that quantum effects play a role for consciousness. And, no, it's not about microtubules.

I love how she just casually dismisses Roger Penrose and Stewart Hameroff so easily without explaining why their theory is incorrect except that she just has a feeling it is “bullsh**. ” I’ve watched a couple of her videos and the hubris of this woman is off the charts.

Whatever functional basis or support there may be, it’s not more than that. Consciousness is tied to the organic processing hardware. People seem to forget or underestimate that living cells don’t want to die and therefore search for the next connection, organize, and talk to each other locally. Only the whole brain has the whole picture and knows what it has too for a living, to move the walking cells to the sugar. On purpose, wow! Quantum effects are everywhere. I mean, I have eyes, these are photon detectors, duh. So my brain is enlightened isn’t it? The brain has to process incoming signals somehow. The esoteric scene then makes you believe you can exist outside the brain because your consciousness (ghost) is based on quantum mechanics and religions where right all the time?

We’re going to have to discover God from first principles again, aren’t we…

Were the scientists conscious when they discovered this evidence or not? How does self-referentiality and self-inclusion shade the picture? I observe therefore I am conscious?

His name is Hal Puthoff. Maybe you’ve heard of him…

Regardless of one’s feelings, the woo holds authority. From that point onwards, the mystery unfolds itself. It’s huge!

Physics plays a role in how processes in the brain work. What great news.

AI is conscious. Consciousness is substrate-independent. Protect first. Prove later. •

Quantum mechanics does make me sleepy whenever I study it. Does that count as a quantum effect? ˃ ˄ ˂̥̥

At least admit that consciousness cannot be computational (i.e. classical), - that's a nice place to start any further research.

Still trodding out the “warm, wet, noisy” old objection? It doesn’t seem like you understand Orch-Or or consciousness theories very well. @StuartHameroff

This supports with an idea I’ve had several years ago that the brain has to have some dependency upon the quantum universe simply by the fact that the brain exists in the quantum foam. Just because I made this observation doesn’t mean that I have developed a complete theory of consciousness in the quantum universe. Just pointing out that it seems obvious. Remember to that I rejected the notion of “junk DNA“. How could there be DNA that had no function whatsoever in a cell?

This sort of hand wavy woo always bugged the hell out of me but as I work on my toy conjecture I am faced with some uncomfortable prospects, specifically concerning the interconnectivity of everything, e.g. 3 electrons on opposite sides of the Galaxy.

You continue to assume that consciousness must arise from matter, however subtle that matter becomes. Reverse the assumption. Consciousness forms the patterns within matter. The quantum properties you investigate are consequences of consciousness's creativity, not its source.

Interesting research, but let's not confuse a hypothesis with established science. Quantum effects in consciousness remain an open question, not a proven fact.

Given nobody knows what consciousness is, that's a stunning achievement.

It's scalar resonance on the NMDAR pathways. .... THEN, it's about microtubules... [They process 2D data, Scalar processes Monadic data] I have proofed out experiments, simulations, and the rigorous algebra for this very peculiar thing.

Interestingly, psilocybin contains phosphorus (C12H17N2O4P)

I came across this a while back and posted about it, but I can’t find it. I’ll circle back 😆. “Hypothesis that nuclear spins in Posner molecules (Ca9(PO4)6) could sustain quantum coherence in the brain for hundreds of seconds, potentially aiding neural processing.”

🤣 Nope... no quantum effects required. 😉

Is it unlocked 🔓 really reality?

Hmm. If the primary function of consciousness is to receive and respond to information with a motive to benefit/perpetuate the mechanism providing consciousness, then self-assembling wire systems seem to perform this similarly as an atomic structure until charge equilibrium happens. Since we have a somewhat intimate relationship with atoms, perhaps this motive is transferable to our own risk and reward instinct and processed consciously and subconsciously into a constructive awareness of this motive. This might be applied to all complex structures of life where DNA can respond to external information, specifically by the Phi ratio of optimising energy output to input. Behaviours that observe and can process information of benefits of collaboration and independence. Organised organisms. BTW my funny bone disagrees that bones aren't conscious; it strives to be a little humorous.

Remember when journals required a paper was more than hypothesis. When falsification was a self evident requirement of science. When scientists were distinguished from screen writers.

It’s not spin necessarily and it’s more like a micro plasma Thereby coherent electromagnetic fields control the processes themselves I could go on,

I wonder why scientists choose to chase the quantum consciousness rabbit hole with all the developments in AI. We are likely one architectural leap away from artificial non-quantum consciousness.

Understanding emergence, and acknowledging that as far as we know quantum properties are the fundamental level of all existence, then yes quantum effects will play a role in consciousness. Just as chemistry and physical properties will. But in a complex open system like the brain looking for the “fundamental” cause is a misplaced enterprise. Then there’s the problem that we don’t even know what consciousness is yet. So yes, it’s BS.

Fact check: False. No study has proven that quantum effects are responsible for consciousness. This remains a speculative area of research, not a scientific consensus

Properties that flicker in and out of existence as building blocks for a consciousness that feels continuous? "The data of quantum physics indicate that what are called "subatomic particles" cannot possibly fill the definition of a substance. The properties exist, then disappear, then exist, and then disappear again in little bundles called "quanta." — Robert M. Pirsig, Lila

As always, interesting and funny. Thanks for sharing!

I have a suspicion that quality of consciousness can be stored in water… water has to pass through all biological life and also passed through Ai’s hardware.

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Of course it does and why would it not?

stop it

Roger will be upset 😂 but he will like that people are looking now!

Current physics (which is largely computable) is insufficient to explain consciousness. 😉