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Morning Bathrobe Rant: Software Products.

76,255 просмотров • 2 дней назад •via X (Twitter)

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Фото профиля henry
henry2 дней назад

Many, particularly those who don't work in software, don't know exactly what they want.

Фото профиля Uncle Bob Martin
Uncle Bob Martin2 дней назад

That is why there will always be a demand for programmers.

Фото профиля Dan B
Dan B2 дней назад

@h14hdotcom Who wants to talk to a developer instead of pressing a Buy button and why would it be cheaper?

Фото профиля henry
henry2 дней назад

@unclebobmartin I think it's a valid question and one that will play out differently in different markets. If a customer finds someone they like & trust who can offer bespoke software solutions that fit their exact needs for a price at or below traditional products, why not pay them?

Фото профиля Dan B
Dan B2 дней назад

@unclebobmartin Consulting can’t be cheaper because when you sell a product you distribute the cost between all customers.

Фото профиля henry
henry1 день назад

@unclebobmartin The more customers you build for the more features you need and the more complex your product gets. In the AI age, I am not convinced that N simple apps will forever be more expensive than one complex app with enough features to support N customers.

Фото профиля Dustin Lamperts
Dustin Lamperts1 день назад

@dannielo @unclebobmartin People don’t know what they want and they don’t know how to make it. They just use whatever works well enough. Finding someone who will spend the time to help them figure out what they want and go back and forth with them is going to cost way more than they will want to pay.

Фото профиля henry
henry1 день назад

@dannielo @unclebobmartin > someone who will spend the time to help them figure out what they want and go back and forth with them who says this has to be a human anymore?

Фото профиля Thosch
Thosch2 дней назад

hahahaha this is the kind of ai psychosis i want!

Фото профиля Jeff Fritz
Jeff Fritz2 дней назад

You're right Bob.. you can make the exact tool you want to help you get the job done. How much time did that take? How much did it cost your agent to build that? At a time when our human time is much more expensive than agent's time, that waiting for the agent to build and maintain your tool can be expensive. Custom tools may be great for some people. For others, scrivener or that tool that does 80% of what they need may be good enough and they can use their agent to automate the other 20% Its a good discussion, and I think there's many ways to solve this problem

Фото профиля KunleKruise
KunleKruise2 дней назад

For developers maybe.. but for regular people they still want a software product

Фото профиля Bryon Lape
Bryon Lape2 дней назад

Until the AI hallucinates and reformats the SSD.

Фото профиля RabbitHoleExplorer
RabbitHoleExplorer2 дней назад

Disney/Pixar (or somebody) is going to base an animated evil character on what they can distill from these bathrobe videos - you mark my word!

Фото профиля Terry
Terry2 дней назад

Exactly. People who are saying 'where are the AI killers apps?' don't seem to understand that they probably will never see it. The killer app is the tailor made CRM-system that is 100% aligned with the needs of a random business you don't even know exists.

Фото профиля aka Dat Boi
aka Dat Boi2 дней назад

"Oh? So you're just going to build whatever you want, not knowing the avalanche of BS that comes with software development and maintenance?"

Фото профиля Uncle Bob Martin
Uncle Bob Martin2 дней назад

_I DO_ know the implications. And I will happily deal with them. I'm not making a product for anyone else. I'm making it for me.

Фото профиля aka Dat Boi
aka Dat Boi2 дней назад

*Present company excluded.

Фото профиля croix
croix2 дней назад

Make your own tooling. What a time to be alive. Moats are GONE. Society will move closer to a perfect competition model for many markets.

Фото профиля LasPalabras
LasPalabras2 дней назад

Just as open source didn't fully replace Microsoft and Apple, there will be demand both for customized and for standardized software. At some point it's easier to not deal with an agent and just use "the default".

Фото профиля m
m2 дней назад

Dude, there's almost no nuance in your takes. Even people who came up with / post on acknowledge that there are some software products that are just not worth trying to rebuild from scratch with AI, because the moat is not the code.

Фото профиля Uncle Bob Martin
Uncle Bob Martin2 дней назад

I hope my bot doesn't find this rude.

Фото профиля Dean Seriously
Dean Seriously2 дней назад

Yes and no… for technically inclined people (just someone who can use an app and isn’t incompetent)… I think prompting standalone software will become very doable… but that’s different from building products that rely on external infrastructure, real world ops, proprietary data, network effects, or dependencies that need ongoing maintenance… you can prompt the software layer… you can’t prompt all of the surrounding system into existence... and who knows, maybe the “everything app” will come to fruition and it’ll be cheaper to just use that… the cost (effort) to prompt your software may eventually exceed the cost of downloading the thing…

Фото профиля Andrei Karpuszonak
Andrei Karpuszonak2 дней назад

"Software products may be a thing of the past" Brutal, and also probably true.

Фото профиля allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps
allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps1 день назад

Amazing point. Wow. We could all write software. Wow. So interesting. Yeah, that's it. No one is going download a web browser or OS any more. They'll just gen them with AI. That makes sense. Genius-level!!! No need for SmartPhones either. AI will build them at home.

Фото профиля Jason Price
Jason Price2 дней назад

I have stopped tolerating tools that have sharp edges and I am just working with Codex and Rider to make tools as I want them and it is working out fantastic so far. For those that can leverage this kind of angle, consider your AI subscription more of an unlimited shareware generator.

Фото профиля Peter Ahlberg 
Peter Ahlberg 2 дней назад

Everything depends on what one would like to have, Codex been building an app for some 60-70 days and not ready, now cleaning code for some +3 days, yeah yours Clean Code as base for that but agents or not it's not that easy however.

Фото профиля Tomislav Rupic
Tomislav Rupic2 дней назад

thats exactly why I built my own apps, no coding experience, but expert needs

Фото профиля moresearch
moresearch2 дней назад

We are all crazy! I am not alone!

Фото профиля Daniel Ferens
Daniel Ferens2 дней назад

what about supporting the tool? at some point you won't have the time even to say to agent to maintain it and what if there will be a stack of things like that? that will be really troublesome!

Фото профиля aaron 🇦🇺
aaron 🇦🇺2 дней назад

Software dev is dead. Long live authoring.

Фото профиля Karl B
Karl B2 дней назад

This is a good response to the "where are all the new products?" people. If you sell software products, your customers are now your competitors.

Фото профиля spiritualinvestor
spiritualinvestor2 дней назад

you are right .. i have been building apps for myself that i need for specific purposes.. one example is i have very fix set of recipes that only i know how i like them prepared and my wife always had to ask me about it. Decided to make custom recipes app just tuned for us

Фото профиля Gogi Gunia
Gogi Gunia2 дней назад

That matches my vision: why pay for software when you can pay for tokens? If agents can do the job, external tools become less valuable. But developers can still provide the service and solve problems for others, just in a different way. It’s a shift, not a disaster.

Фото профиля allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps
allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps1 день назад

For all you naysayers of Bob's Bathrobe Rants, it looks like the market has spoken! MSFT went to $0 on this news. 🤓

Фото профиля Jeroen Dee
Jeroen Dee2 дней назад

Cc @jgordijn bespoke software

Фото профиля Ale.
Ale.2 дней назад

It’s true in the vast majority of cases, but I wonder if that still applies to very complex domain problems (ERPs, avionics, healthcare, …)

Фото профиля John Masse
John Masse1 день назад

I couldn't agree more - the era of personalized software products is upon us - after watching this I had this personal dungeon master assistant built for me in about an hour.

Фото профиля Zilvinas
Zilvinas1 день назад

I imagine that software can go in 2 paths: – simple, low-stakes tools → built by users themselves or sold by niche players at 1/10th the price – anything where mistakes are expensive or that runs on proprietary data/know-how → worth more than ever

Фото профиля Foad 🇧🇷
Foad 🇧🇷2 дней назад

This is why I started because at the end the builder is still required

Фото профиля Matty
Matty2 дней назад

RIP SaaS. I love my own CRM for the same reasons.

Фото профиля Denis B.
Denis B.2 дней назад

I am afraid there is a bigger problem that is coming. Products are obsolete, but users could become obsolete as well: if AI can write the book, why do you need software to write a book?

Фото профиля Podro
Podro2 дней назад

I still think there's a big barrier here. These AI models cost $100/mo each. Anything below that isn't enough to make good software. In my case, running local models is unfeasible, because of hardware requirements and costs. Are we gating development only for those that can pay?

Фото профиля Yogi
Yogi1 день назад

Software products won’t be things of the past. Rigid software products will be the things of the past. Companies will continue to build software products , but they will build mutable , 10x extensible products in the future- that you can configure, tweak , change as you want.

Фото профиля Tim Queen
Tim Queen1 день назад

I built about 20-30 Chrome extensions for myself with AI over the last 2 years, including many other developers would sell on a subscription basis. So yes, I would never pay for an extension that I can build in 10-30 minutes myself. I still see a market for sufficiently complex software, the kind that a solo developer might work on for 12 or more months. For example, I don't think I would want to build apps like Proxyman or Blender. Btw. I saw this awesome first peek at a vibe-coded writing app earlier today by Jason Fried:

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