NEW: No Labels' polling found its third party candidate would hurt Biden and help Trump. No Labels co-founder Holly Page denied what the polling showed then told me "it really doesn't matter."

No Labels boosted Republican Cory Gardner against Democratic Sen Mark Udall in 2014 by providing its Problem Solvers Seal of Approval, help with get-out-the-vote efforts, and spending from its PAC. But No Labels co-founder said today that they didn't back Gardner in 2014.

No Labels stood by its decision to label Donald Trump as a "Problem Solver" in 2016. "We had an event, everybody who came to the event got the seal," co-founder Holly Page said. "He solved some problems. And he didn't solve others. Just like every other politician in Washington."

Colorado is one of the first states where No Labels has secured ballot access for a possible presidential run. Here is my full conversation with No Labels co-founder Holly Page. At 4:55, we discuss why No Labels won't release the names of its donors.

@chrislhayes This woman is vile and dishonest, she makes my blood boil. The #NoLabels candidate being a spoiler vs Biden is hoped for and expected, it's by design and it's why Republicans are furtively funding the group

I love that all you have to do is ask these people simple questions about facts and they just can't deal with.

@chrislhayes Wow, it's weird to see actual well-researched journalism being practiced.

This was a wild interview, great job on getting through her static to get real info out

@brianbeutler They are there to elect Trump.

@daveweigel Republicans just trying to do anything to muddy the water and elect more republicans to cut taxes and regulations by any means necessary.

@brianbeutler That polling doesn't matter when helping Republicans is your plan