Nick Bostrom says we may have “100% infant mortality.” We develop for a few decades, then stagnate, then die. If full human maturity takes thousands of years, we’ve never seen a fully developed human.

What kind of deranged people are leading the AI field...

Source: Nick Bostrom on The Trajectory with Dan Faggella (Jul 2024).

the idea that we might be biologically infants that age is one of the most interesting ideas I've ever heard.

Yet another ray of sunshine ☀️🥳

Exactly. All these people who claim they don't want to live forever, only imagine old and decrepit unlivable scenarios. But if disease and aging gets solved, and thousands of years become standard, what does "mature" or "adult" really look like?

Motte and Bailey are chilling on a park bench in Oxford, passing a joint. Bailey: Bro... we may have 100% mortality! Motte: What the hell, dude? That can’t be true. People die at all ages. Bailey: Nah, listen. I’m looking at humanity as one giant living organism that follows the full biological life cycle: birth, youth, maturity, senescence, death. Right now, we’re still in the infant stage. If full maturity takes thousands of years to reach our real potential... then yeah, every single one of us dies as an infant. 100% infant mortality, my guy. Motte: ...Holy shit, that’s heavy. But how do you know that’s the right way to look at it? Moreover, if that’s the correct way to see it, then aren't you just an infant as well, pooping some garbage at me right now - and I should simply disregard the whole thing? Bailey: (takes a long drag, exhales slowly): Just trust me, bro.

every person you’ve ever admired was operating at maybe 5% of what a fully realized human could be.

He's wrong. The human brain regresses after 70 years of life. This is the maximum level of pruning and yields the greatest development. If one lived 1000 years, their pruning would equate to that of a 70yo. Maturity stems from the pruning of axons. A 1000yo's might be superior.

Stop thinking of yourself as an adult – you don’t have a few short decades of life before you but thousands of years. You’re a child.” She was still thinking as if she were dying and there was no tomorrow, or might awake fevered and covered in sweat lying on her deathbed, and this was but an opium dream of what might have been. A dying adult in one world and a child in another. ... He also wondered whether anyone could remain Human after living for thousands of years. The answer would appear to be No. What they had become was not something he could fathom, but they seemed like children playing an endless game where nothing mattered to them, but they still went through the motions of appearing to care and playacting a role which had become meaningless.

but 3000yo is an infant compared to a 300k yo, and 300k yo is an infant compared to a 30M yo...

@built_to_build The human beings we are now matter too. They matter to us, the most sentient and conscious beings that we know, that we’ve ever been, and that exist in the known universe. That’s not nothing. If we can respect lives today too, then I’d love to see who we become next as well.

We know what fully developed humans are like. They’re called Pak Protectors and they have one job only: protect their adolescent brood.

IMO, 99.9% of human minds will spiral down into insanity after 120 years or so. Far to many cognitive biases, false programmings, mental/emotional traumas, minor biological errors, etc. The ever-increasing cognitive dissonance will begin going exponential into breakdown.

if full maturity takes thousands of years, the wisest person alive is still an infant. which explains a lot about how we're running the planet.

He spent 30 seconds eli5ing the diff between a 5yo and 30yo........... This guy is retardmaxxing for sure.

@JasonSilva Let’s work on giving us the option to fully mature

the nazis had ideas like this when reading nietzsche the wrong way.

The Great Filter Theory of the Fermi Paradox.

How will he know? He's not fully developed either. Nice try, come back in when you're matured enough

People living in Genesis times lived up to a millennium. Not sure if this made people any better, thinking about why G'd sent the Flood.

The social-media way to express that humans want to live forever. I prefer Larry Niven's "Pak Protectors."

What a funny fraud.

ZWT sees Bostrom's "infant mortality" as a warning: if survival stays tied to labor leading to social stagnation with not hopes left. The AGI + UBI severs that link, unlocking shared abundance. Human maturity begins when work is choice, not compulsion. #AGI Mandate #UBI

Someone needs to have the “birds and the bees” talk with Nick, so that he knows what adulthood means.

"Just live longer, bro." These people view constraints, in every form, as a detriment. Purely randomized bits cannot become pattered information until "oppressed" by a constraint; that's just basic ontological physics. These philosophers are deconstructionists and need to be ignored.

Read a short story years ago in which a fellow reaches ~150 yrs of age and exits an extended period of neotony, becoming, effectively, a gorilla man.

I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast. How am I supposed to remember lessons I learned 1,500 years ago?

Sadly, at the rate I am going, it may in fact take 3,000 years. 😅

"takes thousands of years" He shows himself to be disappointingly small minded thinker.

Strange perspective. From a Christian view, our death is a limit to the level of destructiveness we can wreak. In that, it is "good," but only good to the extent that we are unrighteous. In the resurrection, we no longer need the boundary of death.

Perhaps that's why the others are all taller. Perhaps they limited certain limitations. I think of this often.

If we can age 1000 years, will we look like...?

Sounds like insane nonsense!

what a black pilling useless idiot loser. GFY, you demon cultist!

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