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One task, two models. GLM 5.3 Flash running slower at 25 tok/s prose Qwen3.8 Flash running faster at 47 tok/s prose Who will finish the task first?

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100 tok/s on GLM-5.3-Flash, GLM-5.3 runs on the 6000s @ 80-180 tok/s I have not tried the Studio, I’m sure it’s an amazing machine especially if you are in the Mac world already. From a pure logistics POV the sparks use little power, make less noise, serve good model & tokens

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Two models. One DGX Spark One identical voxel Eiffel Tower prompt. Qwen3.8-27B xhigh: 83K tokens, 41m29s, 33.4 tok/s Ornith 1.5 35B-A3B: 47K tokens, 10m35s, 74.0 tok/s Thinking on, no token ceiling, matched camera. Ornith finished much faster; Qwen spent far more tokens.

Two models. One DGX Spark One identical voxel Eiffel Tower prompt. Qwen3.8-27B xhigh: 83K tokens, 41m29s, 33.4 tok/s Ornith 1.5 35B-A3B: 47K tokens, 10m35s, 74.0 tok/s Thinking on, no token ceiling, matched camera. Ornith finished much faster; Qwen spent far more tokens.

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Laguna XS 2.1 just matched Qwen 3.6 35B on a real coding task & ran twice as fast. > Same RTX 3090 > Laguna: 158 tok/s. Qwen: 81 tok/s The local model race isn't about size anymore. It's about who moves faster.

Laguna XS 2.1 just matched Qwen 3.6 35B on a real coding task & ran twice as fast. > Same RTX 3090 > Laguna: 158 tok/s. Qwen: 81 tok/s The local model race isn't about size anymore. It's about who moves faster.

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GLM-4.7 Flash by Z.ai running on M3 Ultra using MLX! 4bit at 81 toks/s 🔥 8bit at 64 toks/s 🔥 (video below) Model converted from transformers to MLX on the fly with Codex + GPT-5.2 HIgh!

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Qwen3.8-Flash-Next is starting to feel like the local model Opus fans have been waiting for. Someone ran the NVFP4 176B-class Flash-Next on 2× DGX Sparks, and the results are wild. Real measured scaling → C1: 44.2 tok/s → C2: 64.6 tok/s → C4: 86.8 tok/s aggregate The per-stream speed drops with concurrency, but total throughput keeps climbing. Long-context behavior was even more impressive: → 5K: needle retrieved → 21K: needle retrieved → 84K: needle retrieved → 167K: needle retrieved → 262K: prefill succeeded, but the window was saturated That 167K retrieval test is the one I care about. Long agent runs are where models usually start losing the plot. Flash-Next didn’t. It also held up surprisingly well on physics-heavy reasoning, artifact generation, research workflows, evidence checking, and long-horizon planning. The personality is interesting too. DeepSeek V4 Flash feels like the dependable workhorse. GLM-5.2 feels like the problem-solving machine. Qwen3.8-Flash-Next feels more insightful. It has that rare ability to understand what you’re actually asking rather than just following the surface pattern. The main weakness I’ve noticed is instruction following. It can occasionally drift between prose turns where DeepSeek and GLM stay tighter. And this is why the 256GB M5 Ultra conversation gets interesting. If Apple can pair that huge unified-memory pool with enough bandwidth, this model class becomes genuinely practical for long-running local agents. We’re talking about frontier-class reasoning on hardware sitting on a desk.

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vllm-exl3 v0.3.0 is LIVE with custom native CUDA kernels for 2-bit EXL3 on NVIDIA DGX Spark GB10. GLM-5.3-Flash-EXL3-K2 jumped from 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s average single-stream decode, a +45.6% gain. Coding hit 27.6 tok/s, +85.6%. 🚀 The previous ExLlamaV3-backed path inside vLLM was leaving a lot of GB10 bandwidth on the table. So I rewrote the hot path specifically for EXL3 on Blackwell sm_121: → in-register Trellis dequantization → native fused MoE decode → power-of-two chunked prefill GEMM → parallel NVMe pre-warm Then I tested it side-by-side on physical DGX Spark hardware using my GLM-5.3-Flash-EXL3-K2 pack and live vLLM HTTP streaming. 🚀 𝗗𝗘𝗖𝗢𝗗𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗥𝗢𝗨𝗚𝗛𝗣𝗨𝗧 Single-stream C1: Coding 14.9 → 27.6 tok/s +85.6% Prose 13.7 → 24.6 tok/s +79.3% Reasoning 18.9 → 25.1 tok/s +32.7% Summary 17.1 → 25.6 tok/s +50.0% Format 16.3 → 24.0 tok/s +47.7% Average: 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s 𝗡𝗘𝗧 𝗚𝗔𝗜𝗡: +45.6% ⏱️ 𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗦𝗧-𝗧𝗢𝗞𝗘𝗡 𝗥𝗘𝗦𝗣𝗢𝗡𝗦𝗜𝗩𝗘𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 Coding TTFT: 2,344 ms → 859 ms That is a 63.3% reduction, or about 2.7× faster to first token. Follow-up turn with prefix cache hit: 5,608 ms → 3,588 ms 1.56× faster. ⚡ 𝗪𝗛𝗔𝗧 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗚𝗘𝗗 𝗢𝗡 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗚𝗣𝗨 40 routed-MoE layers: 19.9 ms → 11.5 ms per token Per-layer MoE compute: 497 μs → 287.8 μs That removes 8.4 ms of MoE compute from every generated token. Total per-step wall time: 59.2 ms → 40.6 ms -31.4% The key is `p2b_fused_moe`. Instead of expanding EXL3 weights through a traditional intermediate path, the new kernel performs Trellis dequantization in-register while executing the routed expert computation. The weights stay compressed until the GPU actually needs them. 🔥 𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗙𝗜𝗟𝗟 𝗚𝗢𝗧 𝗔 𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗩𝗘 𝗣𝗔𝗧𝗛 𝗧𝗢𝗢 The new `exl3_gemm` uses power-of-two chunked prefill GEMM. Measured: 7.85 TFLOPS 13.0× faster than the legacy prefill kernel 1,875 tok/s cold prefill sustained across 65K context 💾 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗕𝗢𝗢𝗧 𝗣𝗔𝗧𝗛 𝗡𝗘𝗘𝗗𝗘𝗗 𝗪𝗢𝗥𝗞 𝗧𝗢𝗢 Loading a ~91 GiB model is part of the user experience. Standard shard loading is mostly serial. The updated recipe parallelizes NVMe pre-warm across 8 workers so the storage controller gets used properly instead of feeding a ~100 GiB model one shard at a time. That turns boot-time storage into another optimization target instead of something we simply accept. 💡 𝗧𝗪𝗢 𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗙𝗟𝗔𝗚𝗦 𝗪𝗢𝗥𝗧𝗛 𝗞𝗡𝗢𝗪𝗜𝗡𝗚 `--long-prefill-token-threshold 1024` Prevents giant prefill chunks from monopolizing step budgets and starving parallel decode sessions. `--enable-prefix-caching` Avoids paying for the same conversational prefix again on follow-up turns. 📦 𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗜𝗦 𝗢𝗣𝗘𝗡 vllm-exl3: GLM-5.3-Flash one-Spark recipe: Model: This is why I like working at the kernel level. The model did not change. The quant did not change. The hardware did not change. The execution path did. 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s. 🛠️ vLLM turboderp

vllm-exl3 v0.3.0 is LIVE with custom native CUDA kernels for 2-bit EXL3 on NVIDIA DGX Spark GB10. GLM-5.3-Flash-EXL3-K2 jumped from 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s average single-stream decode, a +45.6% gain. Coding hit 27.6 tok/s, +85.6%. 🚀 The previous ExLlamaV3-backed path inside vLLM was leaving a lot of GB10 bandwidth on the table. So I rewrote the hot path specifically for EXL3 on Blackwell sm_121: → in-register Trellis dequantization → native fused MoE decode → power-of-two chunked prefill GEMM → parallel NVMe pre-warm Then I tested it side-by-side on physical DGX Spark hardware using my GLM-5.3-Flash-EXL3-K2 pack and live vLLM HTTP streaming. 🚀 𝗗𝗘𝗖𝗢𝗗𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗥𝗢𝗨𝗚𝗛𝗣𝗨𝗧 Single-stream C1: Coding 14.9 → 27.6 tok/s +85.6% Prose 13.7 → 24.6 tok/s +79.3% Reasoning 18.9 → 25.1 tok/s +32.7% Summary 17.1 → 25.6 tok/s +50.0% Format 16.3 → 24.0 tok/s +47.7% Average: 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s 𝗡𝗘𝗧 𝗚𝗔𝗜𝗡: +45.6% ⏱️ 𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗦𝗧-𝗧𝗢𝗞𝗘𝗡 𝗥𝗘𝗦𝗣𝗢𝗡𝗦𝗜𝗩𝗘𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 Coding TTFT: 2,344 ms → 859 ms That is a 63.3% reduction, or about 2.7× faster to first token. Follow-up turn with prefix cache hit: 5,608 ms → 3,588 ms 1.56× faster. ⚡ 𝗪𝗛𝗔𝗧 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗚𝗘𝗗 𝗢𝗡 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗚𝗣𝗨 40 routed-MoE layers: 19.9 ms → 11.5 ms per token Per-layer MoE compute: 497 μs → 287.8 μs That removes 8.4 ms of MoE compute from every generated token. Total per-step wall time: 59.2 ms → 40.6 ms -31.4% The key is `p2b_fused_moe`. Instead of expanding EXL3 weights through a traditional intermediate path, the new kernel performs Trellis dequantization in-register while executing the routed expert computation. The weights stay compressed until the GPU actually needs them. 🔥 𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗙𝗜𝗟𝗟 𝗚𝗢𝗧 𝗔 𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗩𝗘 𝗣𝗔𝗧𝗛 𝗧𝗢𝗢 The new `exl3_gemm` uses power-of-two chunked prefill GEMM. Measured: 7.85 TFLOPS 13.0× faster than the legacy prefill kernel 1,875 tok/s cold prefill sustained across 65K context 💾 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗕𝗢𝗢𝗧 𝗣𝗔𝗧𝗛 𝗡𝗘𝗘𝗗𝗘𝗗 𝗪𝗢𝗥𝗞 𝗧𝗢𝗢 Loading a ~91 GiB model is part of the user experience. Standard shard loading is mostly serial. The updated recipe parallelizes NVMe pre-warm across 8 workers so the storage controller gets used properly instead of feeding a ~100 GiB model one shard at a time. That turns boot-time storage into another optimization target instead of something we simply accept. 💡 𝗧𝗪𝗢 𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗙𝗟𝗔𝗚𝗦 𝗪𝗢𝗥𝗧𝗛 𝗞𝗡𝗢𝗪𝗜𝗡𝗚 `--long-prefill-token-threshold 1024` Prevents giant prefill chunks from monopolizing step budgets and starving parallel decode sessions. `--enable-prefix-caching` Avoids paying for the same conversational prefix again on follow-up turns. 📦 𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗜𝗦 𝗢𝗣𝗘𝗡 vllm-exl3: GLM-5.3-Flash one-Spark recipe: Model: This is why I like working at the kernel level. The model did not change. The quant did not change. The hardware did not change. The execution path did. 16.9 → 24.6 tok/s. 🛠️ vLLM turboderp

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Claude Opus 5, Qwen 3.8 Max, GLM-5.3-Flash, Tencent Hy4 - frontier models sitting on FREE tiers right now: > HuggingFace: Tencent Hy4-preview, 770B MoE, open weights, self-host > TokenRouter: Qwen 3.8 Max free, up to 1B tokens, no card > ZenMux: GLM-5.3-Flash free tier, rate-limited > JustWoker: $50 free credits for Claude Opus 5, API access Four paths to frontier models at $0. The paid tier is becoming the backup plan.

Claude Opus 5, Qwen 3.8 Max, GLM-5.3-Flash, Tencent Hy4 - frontier models sitting on FREE tiers right now: > HuggingFace: Tencent Hy4-preview, 770B MoE, open weights, self-host > TokenRouter: Qwen 3.8 Max free, up to 1B tokens, no card > ZenMux: GLM-5.3-Flash free tier, rate-limited > JustWoker: $50 free credits for Claude Opus 5, API access Four paths to frontier models at $0. The paid tier is becoming the backup plan.

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Opus-level intelligence running fully local at home on dual RTX 4090s. Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF: - 80 tok/s - Full 262k context - MTP on - Only 34 GB of 48 GB VRAM used - Outperforms Claude Opus max on SWE-Pro: 61.7 vs Claude Opus 4.6’s 53.4 GPQA: 89.2 vs 91.3 No need API bills, Or no rate limits. Local frontier-class models are no longer theoretical.

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I think the CMP 170HX just became one of the weirdest local-LLM value plays. 👀 I got Qwen3.8-27B W8A16 running on a single 170HX 64GB with vLLM 0.27.1 + DFlash2: ⚡ ~120 tok/s decode 🚀 ~1.6–1.9K tok/s prefill 🧠 262K context with BF16 KV 📦 342K-token KV capacity 🎯 DFlash2 averaging 3.66 tokens/draft 💾 60.5 / 63.5 GiB VRAM used 27B model is doing ~120 tokens/sec on one GPU. Software optimization is getting ridiculous. Those numbers are from your measured W8A16 + DFlash2 run: ~120 tok/s decode, ~1,580–1,940 tok/s prefill, 342,729-token KV capacity, and 60.5/63.5 GiB VRAM usage. #170hx #LocalAI #localllm

I think the CMP 170HX just became one of the weirdest local-LLM value plays. 👀 I got Qwen3.8-27B W8A16 running on a single 170HX 64GB with vLLM 0.27.1 + DFlash2: ⚡ ~120 tok/s decode 🚀 ~1.6–1.9K tok/s prefill 🧠 262K context with BF16 KV 📦 342K-token KV capacity 🎯 DFlash2 averaging 3.66 tokens/draft 💾 60.5 / 63.5 GiB VRAM used 27B model is doing ~120 tokens/sec on one GPU. Software optimization is getting ridiculous. Those numbers are from your measured W8A16 + DFlash2 run: ~120 tok/s decode, ~1,580–1,940 tok/s prefill, 342,729-token KV capacity, and 60.5/63.5 GiB VRAM usage. #170hx #LocalAI #localllm

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If you have an RTX 3090 or 4090, Mia just shipped you a free massive upgrade in both speed and intelligence. I will explain to you why this will make your Qwen 3.8 27B on your card, even better, and my flags for running it. Qwen3.8-27B, EXL3 3.5bpw, DFlash2 speculative decode, RTX 4090. Single stream. The kit is from MiaAI-Lab, EXL3 is turboderp's format. I re-measured everything on my own card because the my first benchmarks seemed off. It turns out it really does run much faster. WHY EXL3 IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL The old way (Q4_K_M) rounds each weight to the nearest 4-bit value independently. Every weight introduces its own rounding error. Those errors accumulate across millions of weights and causes drift (Slightly dumber). EXL3 is a fundamentally different compression algorithm. Instead of rounding each weight on its own, it encodes the entire weight vector as a path through a constrained codebook and spreads the rounding error across dimensions using a Hadamard transform. The result is that at the same bits per weight, more of the original model's intelligence is preserved. The important part is this CAN ACTUALLY BE MEASURED. The cleanest way to see that is KL divergence against a high-precision teacher. Lower means the quantized model thinks more like the original. On the malaiwah independent teacher-logit panel for GLM-5.3-Flash: EXL3 4bpw: 0.0246 nats Official FP8: 0.0206 nats NVFP4: 0.0605 nats EXL3 sits 0.004 nats behind native FP8 at half the size. NVFP4 at higher bit width is 2.5x further from the teacher. That panel is GLM-5.3-Flash, not Qwen 3.8. Cited as the mechanism, not as this run's data. But the point stands: EXL3 is not just smaller, it is smarter per bit than the formats most people are running. WHAT I MEASURED I first measure 108 tok/s from a single run. After that number looked too good to be true. I reran it. It looks like after a warm up, the numbers are even better. Basically, like people long thought, the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090 are actually superb AI computer cards. Hence why NVIDIA stopped shipping them with NVLINK since the 4090. Short context ceiling (~2k in, 1016-token output, TTFT-separated): 135, 138, 153, 174, 133, 129 tok/s across 6 runs. Sustained longform (2040-token essay): 105.4, 94.5, 98.4 tok/s Short answer (504 tokens): 93.2 tok/s The honest shape: ~130-150 tok/s at short context is the ceiling, ~94-105 sustained on longform. The ceiling matters because that is what people feel in chat. The old dense Q4_K_M on llama.cpp ran ~37 tok/s on this same card. (No MTP), with MTP about 60 tok/s Sustained is roughly 2.5-3x. Ceiling is closer to 4x. Same model, different quantization and engine. The multiplier comes from EXL3, the ExLlamaV2 engine, and DFlash2 together. CONCURRENCY IS A RTX 4090 LANE. Just like the old config on the 4090, the 24gb vram, means a long context can only hold one stream, and running concurrency requires to lower context length, because it runs fast it sort of makes up for it by being faster than slower GPU chips. CONTEXT LADDER The recipe doc measured prefill. I re-ran it with TTFT separated from decode, because decode is what you actually feel after the first token. ~5k in: decode 140 tok/s (TTFT 0.5s), needle HIT ~18k in: decode 85 tok/s (TTFT 0.3s*), needle HIT ~73k in: decode 28 tok/s (TTFT 1.8s), needle HIT ~146k in: decode 16 tok/s (TTFT 2.3s), needle HIT (*0.3s at 18k is a prefix-cache hit from the paired pass. Cold prefill for reference: ~2,020 tok/s at 17k falling to ~508 at 153k.) Needle hit at every depth, mine and the original 7/7. Retrieval is intact at max context. Speed is not: decode falls ~9x from short to max. Past ~50k tokens this stops being a chat tool and becomes a batch tool. At 146k it works, but nobody is typing interactively against 16 tok/s. WHERE IT BROKE The model's native context is 262k. The README says DFlash2 fits ~220k on a 24GB card. My 200,704-token attempt failed with insufficient VRAM. Dropped to 168,960 and it booted. The real ceiling is somewhere between 168,960 and 200,704 and I never tested that gap. I jumped to a value that worked and called it done. That is ~32k tokens of context I left on the table. One thing the numbers taught me: JSON tokenizes at ~1.5 chars/token, prose at ~3.9. "150k tokens of JSON" needs ~2.7x more filler than the same estimate in prose. Size by real tokens, not estimates. THE UPGRADE If you own a 4090 and you are running Q4_K_M on llama.cpp, you are leaving a good bit of speed and measurable intelligence on the table. The same model, on the same card, with a better quantization and engine, goes from 60 tok/s to 130-150 at short context and 94-105 sustained. The model also thinks closer to the original because EXL3 preserves more of the output distribution per bit than the old rounding method. The recipe is in the first reply. Everything above came from one 4090 and one afternoon of re-measuring. The decode ladder especially needs independent numbers. If your card gets different falloff, that is worth knowing. Recipe and flags/ findings in reply 👇

If you have an RTX 3090 or 4090, Mia just shipped you a free massive upgrade in both speed and intelligence. I will explain to you why this will make your Qwen 3.8 27B on your card, even better, and my flags for running it. Qwen3.8-27B, EXL3 3.5bpw, DFlash2 speculative decode, RTX 4090. Single stream. The kit is from MiaAI-Lab, EXL3 is turboderp's format. I re-measured everything on my own card because the my first benchmarks seemed off. It turns out it really does run much faster. WHY EXL3 IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL The old way (Q4_K_M) rounds each weight to the nearest 4-bit value independently. Every weight introduces its own rounding error. Those errors accumulate across millions of weights and causes drift (Slightly dumber). EXL3 is a fundamentally different compression algorithm. Instead of rounding each weight on its own, it encodes the entire weight vector as a path through a constrained codebook and spreads the rounding error across dimensions using a Hadamard transform. The result is that at the same bits per weight, more of the original model's intelligence is preserved. The important part is this CAN ACTUALLY BE MEASURED. The cleanest way to see that is KL divergence against a high-precision teacher. Lower means the quantized model thinks more like the original. On the malaiwah independent teacher-logit panel for GLM-5.3-Flash: EXL3 4bpw: 0.0246 nats Official FP8: 0.0206 nats NVFP4: 0.0605 nats EXL3 sits 0.004 nats behind native FP8 at half the size. NVFP4 at higher bit width is 2.5x further from the teacher. That panel is GLM-5.3-Flash, not Qwen 3.8. Cited as the mechanism, not as this run's data. But the point stands: EXL3 is not just smaller, it is smarter per bit than the formats most people are running. WHAT I MEASURED I first measure 108 tok/s from a single run. After that number looked too good to be true. I reran it. It looks like after a warm up, the numbers are even better. Basically, like people long thought, the RTX 3090 and RTX 4090 are actually superb AI computer cards. Hence why NVIDIA stopped shipping them with NVLINK since the 4090. Short context ceiling (~2k in, 1016-token output, TTFT-separated): 135, 138, 153, 174, 133, 129 tok/s across 6 runs. Sustained longform (2040-token essay): 105.4, 94.5, 98.4 tok/s Short answer (504 tokens): 93.2 tok/s The honest shape: ~130-150 tok/s at short context is the ceiling, ~94-105 sustained on longform. The ceiling matters because that is what people feel in chat. The old dense Q4_K_M on llama.cpp ran ~37 tok/s on this same card. (No MTP), with MTP about 60 tok/s Sustained is roughly 2.5-3x. Ceiling is closer to 4x. Same model, different quantization and engine. The multiplier comes from EXL3, the ExLlamaV2 engine, and DFlash2 together. CONCURRENCY IS A RTX 4090 LANE. Just like the old config on the 4090, the 24gb vram, means a long context can only hold one stream, and running concurrency requires to lower context length, because it runs fast it sort of makes up for it by being faster than slower GPU chips. CONTEXT LADDER The recipe doc measured prefill. I re-ran it with TTFT separated from decode, because decode is what you actually feel after the first token. ~5k in: decode 140 tok/s (TTFT 0.5s), needle HIT ~18k in: decode 85 tok/s (TTFT 0.3s), needle HIT ~73k in: decode 28 tok/s (TTFT 1.8s), needle HIT ~146k in: decode 16 tok/s (TTFT 2.3s), needle HIT (0.3s at 18k is a prefix-cache hit from the paired pass. Cold prefill for reference: ~2,020 tok/s at 17k falling to ~508 at 153k.) Needle hit at every depth, mine and the original 7/7. Retrieval is intact at max context. Speed is not: decode falls ~9x from short to max. Past ~50k tokens this stops being a chat tool and becomes a batch tool. At 146k it works, but nobody is typing interactively against 16 tok/s. WHERE IT BROKE The model's native context is 262k. The README says DFlash2 fits ~220k on a 24GB card. My 200,704-token attempt failed with insufficient VRAM. Dropped to 168,960 and it booted. The real ceiling is somewhere between 168,960 and 200,704 and I never tested that gap. I jumped to a value that worked and called it done. That is ~32k tokens of context I left on the table. One thing the numbers taught me: JSON tokenizes at ~1.5 chars/token, prose at ~3.9. "150k tokens of JSON" needs ~2.7x more filler than the same estimate in prose. Size by real tokens, not estimates. THE UPGRADE If you own a 4090 and you are running Q4_K_M on llama.cpp, you are leaving a good bit of speed and measurable intelligence on the table. The same model, on the same card, with a better quantization and engine, goes from 60 tok/s to 130-150 at short context and 94-105 sustained. The model also thinks closer to the original because EXL3 preserves more of the output distribution per bit than the old rounding method. The recipe is in the first reply. Everything above came from one 4090 and one afternoon of re-measuring. The decode ladder especially needs independent numbers. If your card gets different falloff, that is worth knowing. Recipe and flags/ findings in reply 👇

Yume_X

37,007 görüntüleme • 4 gün önce

Running the full GLM 4.7 (8-bit) on 2 x 512GB M3 Ultra Mac Studios Runs at 19.8 tok/sec with EXO Labs MLX RDMA backend (h/t Awni Hannun) & tensor parallel

Running the full GLM 4.7 (8-bit) on 2 x 512GB M3 Ultra Mac Studios Runs at 19.8 tok/sec with EXO Labs MLX RDMA backend (h/t Awni Hannun) & tensor parallel

Alex Cheema

156,668 görüntüleme • 8 ay önce

Perplexity Pro is Now Powered by Cerebras. Perplexity Sonar, now running on Cerebras Inference, delivers answers at an unprecedented 1,200 tokens/s – 10x faster than comparable models.

Perplexity Pro is Now Powered by Cerebras. Perplexity Sonar, now running on Cerebras Inference, delivers answers at an unprecedented 1,200 tokens/s – 10x faster than comparable models.

Cerebras

68,007 görüntüleme • 1 yıl önce

Ox Alpha was GLM-5.3-Flash all along. Now it's FREE on three platforms. > B AI: 100% free API, no card. Opus 4.8-level coding at $0: chat.b{.}ai/chat > AIHubMix: free coding tier, same model: aihubmix{.}com/model/coding-glm-5.3-flash-free > Z ai: official GLM chat, free directly from the lab: chat.z{.}ai 320B total, 18B active. 1M context, multimodal. MIT open weights. Beats GLM-5.2 at one-tenth the price. Terminal Bench 2.1: 84.3. Approaches Opus 4.8 on coding. A stealth model that topped OpenRouter for a week. Now self-hostable for free.

Ox Alpha was GLM-5.3-Flash all along. Now it's FREE on three platforms. > B AI: 100% free API, no card. Opus 4.8-level coding at $0: chat.b{.}ai/chat > AIHubMix: free coding tier, same model: aihubmix{.}com/model/coding-glm-5.3-flash-free > Z ai: official GLM chat, free directly from the lab: chat.z{.}ai 320B total, 18B active. 1M context, multimodal. MIT open weights. Beats GLM-5.2 at one-tenth the price. Terminal Bench 2.1: 84.3. Approaches Opus 4.8 on coding. A stealth model that topped OpenRouter for a week. Now self-hostable for free.

kaize

22,169 görüntüleme • 11 gün önce

We benchmarked the top models on our own coding tasks. The results: - GPT 5.6 Sol (high) won on performance - Grok 4.6 (high) was the runner-up - GLM 5.3 Flash won on cost at comparable quality All 50%+ cheaper than our previous default (Opus 5)

We benchmarked the top models on our own coding tasks. The results: - GPT 5.6 Sol (high) won on performance - Grok 4.6 (high) was the runner-up - GLM 5.3 Flash won on cost at comparable quality All 50%+ cheaper than our previous default (Opus 5)

Zach Lloyd

20,642 görüntüleme • 3 gün önce

Qwen3.8 27B is now available on Cerebras Shared Tier at ~1500 tok/s. 🚀 It's so fast that the time I spent on writing the prompt was longer than the time it spent to summarize my codebase.

Qwen3.8 27B is now available on Cerebras Shared Tier at ~1500 tok/s. 🚀 It's so fast that the time I spent on writing the prompt was longer than the time it spent to summarize my codebase.

Daniel Ou

190,728 görüntüleme • 4 gün önce

i just tested to put GLM-5.2 on my rig. 753B parameter MoE. 2x RTX PRO 6000 Blackwells, Threadripper PRO 9995WX with 1TB DDR5. prefills at 64 tok/s. decode holds at 13-15. system RAM bandwidth is the bottleneck. running UD-Q4_K_XL 4-bit. 69.7% on Aider Polyglot, within two points of BF16. left the 5090 off. mismatched VRAM unbalances the split. this is what local AI looks like now. massive frontier models on a "desktop rig". how awesome is this? and this is the worst it'll ever be.

i just tested to put GLM-5.2 on my rig. 753B parameter MoE. 2x RTX PRO 6000 Blackwells, Threadripper PRO 9995WX with 1TB DDR5. prefills at 64 tok/s. decode holds at 13-15. system RAM bandwidth is the bottleneck. running UD-Q4_K_XL 4-bit. 69.7% on Aider Polyglot, within two points of BF16. left the 5090 off. mismatched VRAM unbalances the split. this is what local AI looks like now. massive frontier models on a "desktop rig". how awesome is this? and this is the worst it'll ever be.

Samuel Cardillo

48,719 görüntüleme • 2 ay önce

167 tok/s on a single RTX 4090. FreeToken just pushed Qwen3.6-35B-A3B NVFP4 into ridiculous territory. → RTX 4090 24GB → 35B total parameters → ~3B active per token → NVFP4 → 167 tok/s decode → 23.55GB peak VRAM → No speculative decoding → No MTP → No draft model That last part is what makes this interesting. The speed isn’t coming from guessing future tokens. FreeToken is exploiting the MoE architecture directly, keeping the active experts on the GPU while using bandwidth-aware execution for the rest. A 35B model with only ~3B active parameters running at 167 tok/s on a consumer 4090 is exactly why MoE models are becoming so compelling for local AI.

167 tok/s on a single RTX 4090. FreeToken just pushed Qwen3.6-35B-A3B NVFP4 into ridiculous territory. → RTX 4090 24GB → 35B total parameters → ~3B active per token → NVFP4 → 167 tok/s decode → 23.55GB peak VRAM → No speculative decoding → No MTP → No draft model That last part is what makes this interesting. The speed isn’t coming from guessing future tokens. FreeToken is exploiting the MoE architecture directly, keeping the active experts on the GPU while using bandwidth-aware execution for the rest. A 35B model with only ~3B active parameters running at 167 tok/s on a consumer 4090 is exactly why MoE models are becoming so compelling for local AI.

FHILY👑

33,058 görüntüleme • 13 gün önce