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Overnight, China successfully launched a new medium-class rocket to orbit — Long March 12B. Looks like they gave no airspace notice (!), and carried suspiciously Starlink-shaped satellites to orbit... all on their first try. China's space industry is catching up to ours, fast.

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Christian Keil4 months ago

(The landing legs were reportedly just decoration for this vehicle, so they didn't attempt to land the booster, but the rocket/engines were designed to be reusable.)

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Christian Keil4 months ago

Source: Jack Congram's coverage of China's aerospace industry is really good, daily newsletter. Follow him!

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Arthur MacWaters4 months ago

literally same shape as falcon haha

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Christian Keil4 months ago

both rockets are: ‣ reusable* ‣ kerolox fuel ‣ single core ‣ 2 stages ‣ 9 engines first stage, 1 engine second stage ‣ ~20,000 kg to LEO * they have to prove it first

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Arthur MacWaters4 months ago

ctrl c; ctrl v don't mess with success

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Mason Hall4 months ago

Impressive they did this with only 12b params

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Christian Keil4 months ago

my personal agi benchmark is "one shot to LEO"

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Warren Redlich - Chasing Dreams 🇺🇸4 months ago

Fast - sarcasm? 16 years after the first Falcon 9 achieved orbit.

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Patrick Staunton4 months ago

honest question: would they share the video if it failed? I think I recall seeing videos of failed launches from China in the past

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Christian Keil4 months ago

yeah, lots of glorious failure videos escape China

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Carl4 months ago

How reusable is it

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Christian Keil4 months ago

only theoretically reusable, so far

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Lasagnye West4 months ago

awwww! What a cute little rocket!

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Christian Keil4 months ago

20,000 kg to LEO, roughly as much as Falcon 9

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Lasagnye West4 months ago

Fair enough. It just looks so tiny lol

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NoGoodGod4 months ago

Literally temu falcon 9

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Mike Hornsby4 months ago

Stealing IP and design schematics via 3D imaging after thousands of successful launches from American soil doesn’t count as their “first try” guy They launched a temu-brand falcon 9 Big whoop

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Edward4 months ago

Carried twenty (plus?) satellites for their Qianfan constellation, which is one of their domestic Starlink alternatives

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Generic Mainer 🇺🇸4 months ago

Gonna be fun when they have thousands of starlink copies in the sky by provide zero data on their location or speed to the rest of the world

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unearnedchallenge4 months ago

It makes no sense for China to reinvent the wheel. They just wait for America to do all the r&d, make all the mistakes, then copy/paste and iterate on what works.

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Sunny4 months ago

Innovation of original ideas ideas can never be caught up with. The Chinese education and political system is premised on discouraging and ostracizing dissent and novel ideas - as they are a threat to it. It is easier to copypasta others to avoid that risk in China domestically.

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Tom Disney4 months ago

'Starlink-shaped' in deployment/trajectory characteristics that can be observed? or can we actually see details of their shape when in orbit?

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Christian Keil4 months ago

Literal shape. Reports that it's also flat-packable, with one big unfurling solar array.

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rodo 274 months ago

Well, no one sane of mind ever imagined it would be otherwise. Once SpaceX showed reusable rockets were a possibility, it was only a matter of time before many people copy it. It took only 10 years.

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DBone Smackypants4 months ago

They didn't do anything new here. They didn't recover/land anything. This is the same old China rocketry - burn cash and hope that's enough to catch up.

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Yehuda Davidson4 months ago

They launched an unreusable rocket. Something US has been doing for near a century. Wow they're catching up so fast

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Wayne Martin4 months ago

Fast? Not sure how you quantify fast unless you exclude SpaceX.

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Weinviertler4 months ago

Interessant ist das sich die chinesischen Raketen nicht selbst in die Luft sprengen, kann also nicht von den USA kopiert worden sein.

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jhouse6784 months ago

The problem for China is it will not be trusted as a global carrier for data and voice, for fear it is listening to or exfiltrating data from clients.

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Brandon Fisher (BoulderFish)4 months ago

"China's space industry is catching up to ours, fast."

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Herodotus4 months ago

Is you think China is “catching up” to SpaceX you are deluded.

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PatrioticPirate4 months ago

LMAO They aren't even close

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JAReyna4 months ago

As fast as copy and paste!!

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Matthew Tirman4 months ago

Why do you say overnight? This has been known and on radar of anyone following the industry for at least a few years.

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Shailesh Panwar (/oc2)4 months ago

I believe they are already head Just a matter of time

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-4°4 months ago

No airspace notice is so “China”

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Paul Pallaghy4 months ago

The seriously only important thing is extent of reusability. Anyone can launch a rocket today. But: 5x cheaper means u can do dominate an industry (F9). 500x cheaper means u can transform a civilization (Starship).

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Breaking News Jack.4 months ago

Good job. Better than landing on a village!

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Angelo Rispoli4 months ago

i just wanna say this. GDP used in space economy: - Italy 0.1% - France 0.1% - USA 0.27% - China 2.7%

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🆉 🄾 Ⓥ Time is Velocity4 months ago

You mean they are copying up fast? Lol

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Aloha Rebel4 months ago

Comparable F9 v1.1. Expendable only. No stated GEO capability. That puts LM-12b 10-12 years behind SpaceX once they get this in actual service. This is literally an order of magnitude behind Starship / Superheavy, which is in a similar stage of testing but with 10x lift.

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Hookah4 months ago

You could have just used the headline "China did a satellite launch."

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its in the stars4 months ago

China is a formidable competitor in addition to a thief of IP. 😂 they shouldn’t be underestimated.

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Shmuck4 months ago

Didn’t they have a rocket like this blow up in a mountain a year or two ago?

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