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Quick thoughts on doing “free work”

72,424 просмотров • 11 месяцев назад •via X (Twitter)

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Фото профиля PJ Ace
PJ Ace11 месяцев назад

This but also this for some clients that pay far below your usual rates. Mostly no. Sometimes yes and it makes you. I had a HUGE brand project earlier this year that went super mega viral and they put 100x the spend in what they paid me into boosting it and it had the most insane outcome I’ve ever seen for a client. I was vastly underpaid but I don’t have any regrets because it basically “made me” as a filmmaker and I launched an agency from it. But you gotta know when to hold and when to fold with rates.

Фото профиля Aleks
Aleks11 месяцев назад

great video, agree with everything wholeheartedly. doing free work and working for free are often very different things.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

thanks man. i like how you phrased that "doing free work" vs "working for free." going to use that!

Фото профиля Alex Cristache
Alex Cristache11 месяцев назад

Eloquently put, Dann, and I absolutely agree. Do free work only out of a personal choice, and only when you control the path which that piece of work takes. If that path is in someone else's hands, chances are you've wasted hours and potential.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

"when you control the path" i love that.

Фото профиля Lee Black
Lee Black11 месяцев назад

Totally agree here Dann. I’ve got similar stories especially from my starting out days. Part of it brought me great projects, or put me in a stronger positions that’s played a part in the puzzle to where I am today. Also 100% with you on free work for yourself as part of continued learning and self development. It’s not for everyone, and if you do that be careful for burnout.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

Glad to see you bring up the burnout part. So true and something to be aware of.

Фото профиля Lee Black
Lee Black11 месяцев назад

It’s only because I’m going through one 😔 I’m getting better though. Just slowly.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

It's so hard to get of man. Thankfully for us we can do side projects and things for fun to help. I found doing things like making medals for a baseball team and custom engraved bats, things I'd usually never do, helped spark the creativity again. Just needed something diff.

Фото профиля John Smith
John Smith11 месяцев назад

@mrblackstudio Beauty. I’ve been slowly building an art studio for Mrs smith. Bought power tools and now have 6 ways to remove my fingers.

Фото профиля Lee Black
Lee Black11 месяцев назад

@DannPetty Hey at least you’re having fun and working towards something. Just try to keep your thumbs. They’re important.

Фото профиля Mihai Logo Brand Designer
Mihai Logo Brand Designer11 месяцев назад

I did free work a couple of times. It was mainly logos and design work for some of my friends who decided to open a business or had an idea for an app. They wanted to pay me I refused.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

sometimes the payment is just feeling good and helping others get on their feet.

Фото профиля Mihai Logo Brand Designer
Mihai Logo Brand Designer11 месяцев назад

It genuinely feels good, I designed this badge in 2020 for a trucker friend of mine and he was so happy with it, still in use.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

🤝

Фото профиля Carlos Huertas
Carlos Huertas11 месяцев назад

What a interesting point of view! So helpful for me that I'm just in my 4th year into design. Thanks for sharing Dann! 🙌

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

let's go!

Фото профиля Muhsin
Muhsin11 месяцев назад

Valuable insight! Thank you Dann

Фото профиля Laur Olteanu
Laur Olteanu11 месяцев назад

Dann we are missing you! You are wise words always help the design community!

Фото профиля Nico
Nico11 месяцев назад

The whole concept of “you’re working for ‘free’ but in reality the work is for you, not the client” is the best analogy to explain this. Couldn’t agree with you more.

Фото профиля Omar
Omar11 месяцев назад

As always the best guy on design twitter to simplify matters & state points much love Dann < 3 couldn't have said it any better!

Фото профиля Jordan Gilroy
Jordan Gilroy11 месяцев назад

I’ve done plenty of work for free. I’ve also said no to doing work for free. It’s extremely nuanced, and as you said, context is important. There isn’t a one size fits all solution

Фото профиля Tercarioli
Tercarioli11 месяцев назад

My take on free work is full creative freedom.

Фото профиля SAI
SAI11 месяцев назад

Man I've recently sent almost more than 5-6 companies cold emails with their revamped website but I still haven't got any replies from them 😭 Guess the competition is too high in web design market 🥲

Фото профиля Anubhav
Anubhav11 месяцев назад

Love this. I think doing a vid was necessary, often people misinterpret the tone in which stuff is said.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

so true! my personality gets misread a lot in text.

Фото профиля Anubhav
Anubhav11 месяцев назад

Eyes Chico , they never lie :)

Фото профиля Sam Stoof
Sam Stoof11 месяцев назад

Thank you for posting these typa things

Фото профиля Samyadeep
Samyadeep11 месяцев назад

I agree with almost everything you said. Please tell us what gear you used to record the video, it's very high quality.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

just iPhone 17 selfie cam

Фото профиля Samyadeep
Samyadeep11 месяцев назад

😳 amazed at the quality

Фото профиля David Rivadeneyra
David Rivadeneyra11 месяцев назад

The answer, which has worked for me at least, is: I create free work only to showcase my abilities, and when I do it. I choose what kind of free work to do to demonstrate what I'm capable of. However, if a company comes to me asking for free work so THEY can see or be sure how good a designer I am, then I don't do it. I think what I'm saying is very similar to what Dann is saying

Фото профиля Abinash Mohanty
Abinash Mohanty11 месяцев назад

Well said, Dann, and that's how FREE Work should be 🫡

Фото профиля uistacy
uistacy11 месяцев назад

Thank you, Dann!

Фото профиля Shane Helm
Shane Helm11 месяцев назад

Thanks for explaining the context Dann.

Фото профиля DANN©
DANN©11 месяцев назад

Thanks Shane. Still so many other contexts to consider but already felt like I was rambling.

Фото профиля R.
R.11 месяцев назад

When Sensei speaks, listen. 👏👏👏

Фото профиля JaimeOrtega
JaimeOrtega11 месяцев назад

I agree. But one thing often overlooked in the “company asking for free work” discussion is how certain kinds of value are being commoditized at the edge of technology. i.e. when a company asks you to write or debug some code live during an interview using the latest tools, it’s usually to gauge your familiarity with them, especially if those tools are core to their projects. Some developers push back, saying “I won’t do that for free, that code is worth $X”. But in *some* cases, the actual code is now so quick and easy to produce that its standalone "price" has dropped sharply. What’s truly valuable is demonstrating that you understand this shift and can use these tools effectively. One could argue the same about *some* design stuff.

Фото профиля The Artist's Journey
The Artist's Journey11 месяцев назад

makes sense! The work for yourself is more of a personal brand development that pays dividends in the future. It builds that awareness for potential clients that's worth paying for. If anything, doing personal work has higher value than working on low paying jobs in the long run.

Фото профиля Marius
Marius11 месяцев назад

if playboi carti asks me for free work i will 100% do it.

Фото профиля Fuoseigha Solomon | Branding & Video
Fuoseigha Solomon | Branding & Video11 месяцев назад

If you're just starting out, you should definitely do free works. I'd say it's better than "passion projects" because it involves real people.

Фото профиля Louis
Louis11 месяцев назад

Thank you, sir 🙏

Фото профиля Connor Regan
Connor Regan11 месяцев назад

I agree with you on dream brands - I would work with some out of pure enjoyment. We took the free work approach, maybe to (literal) or, I don't know, (fiercely?) at the beginning of our journey. It was a good lesson and helped with the portfolio but I would recommend caution with this. Thanks, Dann.

Фото профиля Lloyd Creates
Lloyd Creates11 месяцев назад

WHo's Burton?

Фото профиля Luan Maia Carneiro
Luan Maia Carneiro11 месяцев назад

In a sea of “hype” you just talk real things. Cool!

Фото профиля Georgi
Georgi11 месяцев назад

Always love hearing/reading your take on anything design related Dann, you're a treasure!

Фото профиля Delani⚡️
Delani⚡️11 месяцев назад

I’m doing 2 rn just to add to my portfolio and hopefully the companies I did them for like them

Фото профиля Ivan
Ivan11 месяцев назад

Adults talking. Thanks

Фото профиля Adam Hall Art
Adam Hall Art11 месяцев назад

Well said man! I rarely ever give a piece of art to anyone for free but there have been times I’ve sent work to companies or collectors I’m a fan of and it later materialized into cooler projects.

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