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Quick thoughts on doing “free work”

72,424 次观看 • 11 个月前 •via X (Twitter)

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PJ Ace 的头像
PJ Ace11 个月前

This but also this for some clients that pay far below your usual rates. Mostly no. Sometimes yes and it makes you. I had a HUGE brand project earlier this year that went super mega viral and they put 100x the spend in what they paid me into boosting it and it had the most insane outcome I’ve ever seen for a client. I was vastly underpaid but I don’t have any regrets because it basically “made me” as a filmmaker and I launched an agency from it. But you gotta know when to hold and when to fold with rates.

Aleks 的头像
Aleks11 个月前

great video, agree with everything wholeheartedly. doing free work and working for free are often very different things.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

thanks man. i like how you phrased that "doing free work" vs "working for free." going to use that!

Alex Cristache 的头像
Alex Cristache11 个月前

Eloquently put, Dann, and I absolutely agree. Do free work only out of a personal choice, and only when you control the path which that piece of work takes. If that path is in someone else's hands, chances are you've wasted hours and potential.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

"when you control the path" i love that.

Lee Black 的头像
Lee Black11 个月前

Totally agree here Dann. I’ve got similar stories especially from my starting out days. Part of it brought me great projects, or put me in a stronger positions that’s played a part in the puzzle to where I am today. Also 100% with you on free work for yourself as part of continued learning and self development. It’s not for everyone, and if you do that be careful for burnout.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

Glad to see you bring up the burnout part. So true and something to be aware of.

Lee Black 的头像
Lee Black11 个月前

It’s only because I’m going through one 😔 I’m getting better though. Just slowly.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

It's so hard to get of man. Thankfully for us we can do side projects and things for fun to help. I found doing things like making medals for a baseball team and custom engraved bats, things I'd usually never do, helped spark the creativity again. Just needed something diff.

John Smith 的头像
John Smith11 个月前

@mrblackstudio Beauty. I’ve been slowly building an art studio for Mrs smith. Bought power tools and now have 6 ways to remove my fingers.

Lee Black 的头像
Lee Black11 个月前

@DannPetty Hey at least you’re having fun and working towards something. Just try to keep your thumbs. They’re important.

Mihai Logo Brand Designer 的头像
Mihai Logo Brand Designer11 个月前

I did free work a couple of times. It was mainly logos and design work for some of my friends who decided to open a business or had an idea for an app. They wanted to pay me I refused.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

sometimes the payment is just feeling good and helping others get on their feet.

Mihai Logo Brand Designer 的头像
Mihai Logo Brand Designer11 个月前

It genuinely feels good, I designed this badge in 2020 for a trucker friend of mine and he was so happy with it, still in use.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

🤝

Carlos Huertas 的头像
Carlos Huertas11 个月前

What a interesting point of view! So helpful for me that I'm just in my 4th year into design. Thanks for sharing Dann! 🙌

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

let's go!

Muhsin 的头像
Muhsin11 个月前

Valuable insight! Thank you Dann

Laur Olteanu 的头像
Laur Olteanu11 个月前

Dann we are missing you! You are wise words always help the design community!

Nico 的头像
Nico11 个月前

The whole concept of “you’re working for ‘free’ but in reality the work is for you, not the client” is the best analogy to explain this. Couldn’t agree with you more.

Omar 的头像
Omar11 个月前

As always the best guy on design twitter to simplify matters & state points much love Dann < 3 couldn't have said it any better!

Jordan Gilroy 的头像
Jordan Gilroy11 个月前

I’ve done plenty of work for free. I’ve also said no to doing work for free. It’s extremely nuanced, and as you said, context is important. There isn’t a one size fits all solution

Tercarioli 的头像
Tercarioli11 个月前

My take on free work is full creative freedom.

SAI 的头像
SAI11 个月前

Man I've recently sent almost more than 5-6 companies cold emails with their revamped website but I still haven't got any replies from them 😭 Guess the competition is too high in web design market 🥲

Anubhav 的头像
Anubhav11 个月前

Love this. I think doing a vid was necessary, often people misinterpret the tone in which stuff is said.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

so true! my personality gets misread a lot in text.

Anubhav 的头像
Anubhav11 个月前

Eyes Chico , they never lie :)

Sam Stoof 的头像
Sam Stoof11 个月前

Thank you for posting these typa things

Samyadeep 的头像
Samyadeep11 个月前

I agree with almost everything you said. Please tell us what gear you used to record the video, it's very high quality.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

just iPhone 17 selfie cam

Samyadeep 的头像
Samyadeep11 个月前

😳 amazed at the quality

David Rivadeneyra 的头像
David Rivadeneyra11 个月前

The answer, which has worked for me at least, is: I create free work only to showcase my abilities, and when I do it. I choose what kind of free work to do to demonstrate what I'm capable of. However, if a company comes to me asking for free work so THEY can see or be sure how good a designer I am, then I don't do it. I think what I'm saying is very similar to what Dann is saying

Abinash Mohanty 的头像
Abinash Mohanty11 个月前

Well said, Dann, and that's how FREE Work should be 🫡

uistacy 的头像
uistacy11 个月前

Thank you, Dann!

Shane Helm 的头像
Shane Helm11 个月前

Thanks for explaining the context Dann.

DANN© 的头像
DANN©11 个月前

Thanks Shane. Still so many other contexts to consider but already felt like I was rambling.

R. 的头像
R.11 个月前

When Sensei speaks, listen. 👏👏👏

JaimeOrtega 的头像
JaimeOrtega11 个月前

I agree. But one thing often overlooked in the “company asking for free work” discussion is how certain kinds of value are being commoditized at the edge of technology. i.e. when a company asks you to write or debug some code live during an interview using the latest tools, it’s usually to gauge your familiarity with them, especially if those tools are core to their projects. Some developers push back, saying “I won’t do that for free, that code is worth $X”. But in *some* cases, the actual code is now so quick and easy to produce that its standalone "price" has dropped sharply. What’s truly valuable is demonstrating that you understand this shift and can use these tools effectively. One could argue the same about *some* design stuff.

The Artist's Journey 的头像
The Artist's Journey11 个月前

makes sense! The work for yourself is more of a personal brand development that pays dividends in the future. It builds that awareness for potential clients that's worth paying for. If anything, doing personal work has higher value than working on low paying jobs in the long run.

Marius 的头像
Marius11 个月前

if playboi carti asks me for free work i will 100% do it.

Fuoseigha Solomon | Branding & Video 的头像
Fuoseigha Solomon | Branding & Video11 个月前

If you're just starting out, you should definitely do free works. I'd say it's better than "passion projects" because it involves real people.

Louis 的头像
Louis11 个月前

Thank you, sir 🙏

Connor Regan 的头像
Connor Regan11 个月前

I agree with you on dream brands - I would work with some out of pure enjoyment. We took the free work approach, maybe to (literal) or, I don't know, (fiercely?) at the beginning of our journey. It was a good lesson and helped with the portfolio but I would recommend caution with this. Thanks, Dann.

Lloyd Creates 的头像
Lloyd Creates11 个月前

WHo's Burton?

Luan Maia Carneiro 的头像
Luan Maia Carneiro11 个月前

In a sea of “hype” you just talk real things. Cool!

Georgi 的头像
Georgi11 个月前

Always love hearing/reading your take on anything design related Dann, you're a treasure!

Delani⚡️ 的头像
Delani⚡️11 个月前

I’m doing 2 rn just to add to my portfolio and hopefully the companies I did them for like them

Ivan 的头像
Ivan11 个月前

Adults talking. Thanks

Adam Hall Art 的头像
Adam Hall Art11 个月前

Well said man! I rarely ever give a piece of art to anyone for free but there have been times I’ve sent work to companies or collectors I’m a fan of and it later materialized into cooler projects.