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THE RAPE OF BRITAIN THE COVERUP: The tragic true story of how upwards of 250,000 young British girls as young as 11 years old were brutally raped millions of times this century by Muslim child rape gangs. The UK Government covered it up. They were tortured, drugged and murdered. Laura Wilson of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, in 2010 was a teenage mother at the age of 17 when she was brutally stabbed to death over 40 times in the head by Ashtiaq Ashgar a Muslim who said "I'm gonna send that kuffar (Non-Muslim) bitch straight to Hell." Ashtiq Ashgar threw her into the canal, but she kept fighting for her life. A pathologist report found that the stab wounds to the head were actually done to keep her under the water. Laura was sexually groomed and abused by older Muslim men from the age of 11. Just in the town of Rotherham there were over 1,400 children that were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation between 1997 and 2013. These horror stories are happening in every city and town in the United Kingdom and the crimes are being covered up. Children as young as 11 years old were targeted. They were doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, they were threatened with guns. They were made to watch their friends get violently raped. They were literally picked up at their schools by Muslims driving taxis. Their lives were threatened if they told anyone. In two other cases 13 year old girls were kidnapped and being raped by these Muslim child rape gangs. The fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from the houses where they were being raped, only to be arrested themselves by the police. In a number of cases the victims themselves the children were arrested for offenses such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the Muslim perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against the children. This was one such case. A 12 year old child, a young girl was in a house with five Muslim men who were abusing her. The Police came to the house and arrested her, the child, the victim, for being drunk and disorderly. In another case a 15 year old girl when she went to sanitary services she had a glass bottle broken inside her vagina. Another victim of the Rochdale Muslim child grooming rape gangs, was raped more than 100 times from the age of 12 and felt "let down" by the police who did nothing to stop this horror. She also revealed how police took her aborted fetus away for DNA testing when she was just 13 years old without telling her. She was raped "continuously" by up to 40 men, adding: "One would finish raping me and then the other one would come in and it was just like that all night." In Telford there are over 1000 victims. In 2010, 16 year old victim Lucy Lowe was pregnant when she, along with her sister Sarah age 17 and her mother Eileen age 49, were burned alive in their house by Azhar Ali Mehmood age 25 at the time. Azhar Ali Mehmood was a Muslim taxi driver who started raping and grooming Lucy at the age of 13. In 2018 the deaths were linked to the exploitation of hundreds of Shropshire girls. Azhar Ali Mehmood was jailed for killing Lucy, along with her mother Eileen and her sister Sarah, but was never arrested or charged over sex abuse. In 2022 it was reported that Detective Chief Inspector Clive Harding said the case did not merit review for sexual abuse. Another victim, who was drugged and gang raped, said Lucy's killing was a warning to others who might speak out. One victim in Telford was raped by more than 100 men. None of them have been prosecuted. Another victim, 13 year old Becky Watson, was killed in 2002 in the vehicle of Ahmed Nawaz a Muslim child gang rape member who was driving the car. He claimed it was a "prank" that went tragically wrong. Becky fell from the bonnet of his car near her youth club where she was killed. The car accident was labeled unexplained and a prank. No charges were filed. Vicky Round, a friend of Becky’s, was abused by the same Muslim child rape gang. They forced her into a crack cocaine addiction at age 12 and by the time she was 14 years old she was taking heroin regularly. She died at the age of 20 after a suspected drug overdose. In Telford alone more than 1,000 children were abused, raped, trafficked, drugged, beaten up, set on fire and murdered by Muslim child rape gangs during decades of coverup by the police and government authorities. One child was raped for 36 hours straight and nothing was done about it. These horror stories in every single town are not about sexual gratifications. This is about torture, submission and dominance. One victim a 12 year old girl in West Midlands had her tongue nailed to the table when she threatened to tell of the sexual abuse. Another victim had her head pulled back, and a kettle of boiling water held over her open mouth. In Oxford an 11 year old child sex slave describes how her trafficker Mohammed Karrar age 38 disfigured her flesh with a heated hairpin branding her with the letter "M" on her left buttock for Mohammed, so people would know she was his. She was just 11 years old when Mohammed Karrar bought her and loaned her to abusers all around the country for £600 a year. During a five year period the girl, now 19, was repeatedly raped by large groups of men in what she described as "torture sex." At the age of 12 she was introduced to Karrar’s brother Bassam, 33, who also raped her. She was sold to groups of Muslim men who violently raped her in private homes and guesthouses around Oxford and elsewhere. Sometimes she was injected with heroin or given date drugs to ensure she complied with the gang’s sick demands. Just after her 12th birthday the girl told Karrar she was carrying his child. He allegedly beat her up and then took her to a house in Reading where she was given a "backroom abortion" using a crochet hook. Seven men of Pakistani origin and two from North Africa are accused of 79 offenses against six vulnerable white British girls in Oxford. The charges include child rape, sexual trafficking and child prostitution. They were all found guilty. These are their names, they are the Oxford Muslim Pedophile Ring that committed horrible atrocities against British children. Kamar Jamil age 27, Akhtar Dogar age 32, his brother Anjum Dogar age 30, Assad Hussain age 32, Mohammed Karrar, Bassam Karrar, Mohammed Hussain age 24, Zeeshan Ahmed age 27, and Bilal Ahmed age 26. They are depraved monsters, sentenced to life in prison. This is just a small sample of the atrocities that have been going on in Britain for over 40 years against the daughters and children of Britain. This is the greatest child exploitation and child rape in the history of Britain and it has all been covered up for years by the social workers, the police, the justice system, the media, and the Prime Ministers. They must all be held accountable. In 2019 Lord Pearson of Rannoch reported in the Chamber that if we extrapolate nationally the Jay report on Rotherham and other reports from Telford and Oxford, there appear to have been upwards of 250,000 young white girls raped in this century, very largely by Muslim men, usually several times a day for years. In the full letter Lord Pearson writes that the 250,000 victims of the radical Muslim grooming gangs is probably an underestimate. He says that because, if you take the accepted figure of 1,400 victims in Rotherham alone and extend it across the country, you come to a much larger figure. Indeed, Rotherham’s MP, the courageous Sarah Champion, has put the figure at one million. One million daughters of Britain raped. He went on to ask. What is the Government’s answer to the chief constable of Northumbria Police, who has just said that there is every likelihood that these grooming gangs are operating in every one of our major cities? What is the Government doing to prosecute those in authority who turned a blind eye to all this because they were afraid of being called Islamophobic and so on? In March of 2018 Lord Pearson of Rannoch stated in the Chamber: My Lords, I fear that reply is shamefully inadequate, because these girls are usually raped several times a day. If we accept the views of our lead police officer for child protection, of Rotherham’s MP and of the recent Jay and Quilliam reports, we are looking at millions of rapes of white and Sikh girls by Muslim men, only 222 of whom have been convicted since 2005. Will the Government ask our Muslim leaders whether the perpetrators can claim that their behaviour is sanctioned in the Koran, and to issue a fatwa against it? Secondly, will the Government encourage a national debate about the various interpretations of Islam? Can we talk about Islam without being accused of a hate crime? Tommy Robinson in this speech goes into great detail into the root cause of this atrocity happening in Britain and all around Europe. Many reporters will not even speak of these atrocities because they are so graphic. One such graphic case was Mohammed Karrar who we discussed earlier, his sentencing remarks were detailed in the Judiciary of England and Wales. This is his sentencing remarks by honorable Judge Peter Rook QC dated June 27th 2013. The victim was assigned an anonymous initial GH to protect her identity. You, Mohammed Karrar, were introduced to GH when she was only 11. You anally raped her when she was 11. After a period of months when you groomed her, you were having regular oral, vaginal and anal sex with her. You, Mohammed Karrar, took her to various places to provide sex to others, a hotel in Bournemouth, a flat near a school in Oxford. She was taken to High Wycombe for sex on a regular basis. Sometimes there were three or four men at a session. Sometimes as many as nine or ten. You, Mohammed Karrar, prepared her for gang anal rape by using a pump to expand her anal passage. You subjected her to a gang rape by five or six men. At one point she had four men inside her. A red ball was placed in her mouth to keep her quiet. Not only were you both involved in the commercial sexual exploitation of GH, you also used her for your own self gratification. You both raped her at the same time, oral and vaginal/anal. Mohammed Karrar, on one occasion when GH was 12, after raping her, she threatened you with your lock knife. Your reaction was to pick up a baseball bat with a silver metal handle, strike her on the head with it, and then insert the baseball bat inside her vagina. You treated her as if she was your commodity. You branded her with your initial near her anal passage using a hot hair pin. As part of the grooming, you would provide her with crack cocaine and you injected GH with heroin on numerous occasions. This is just one shocking heartbreaking child story of rape, torture, slavery, abuse, druggery and depravity. Why did it take so long to protect this child and bring justice to these monstrous criminals? I will tell you why, because it was a cover-up in many ways and it is still a cover-up by the police, the politicians, the social workers, the justice system and the Prime Ministers over the years. Many were involved in these crimes. Only a small fraction of these Muslim child rape gangs who groom children as prostitutes and slaves have be brought to justice, they are still committing these atrocious crimes. Detective Constable Maggie Oliver was a UK Police Detective who was helping with "Operation Agusta" in 2004 which was prompted by the overdose death of Victoria Agoglia age 15, a girl under the care of Manchester City Council, who reported being raped and injected with heroin by a 50 year old Muslim man. The police operation identified at least 57 victims and 97 potential suspects, some involved with Victoria, and a compelling picture of the systemic exploitation of looked after children in the care system was established by detectives. But senior officers at Greater Manchester Police (GMP) chose to under-resource the investigation, the report said a decision was made to close it down which was communicated to senior officers of Manchester City Council at a meeting later that day on April 22, 2005. However "Operation Augusta" was abandoned while Detective Constable Maggie Oliver was on leave in 2005. When she returned, ‘it was as if Operation Augusta had just disappeared as if it had never even existed, none of the serious sexual offending had been addressed, and no one prosecuted’. This cover-up and disgraceful criminal action by the Police Department caused Maggie Oliver to resign from GMP, claiming that the Police Force had failed the victims of the Rochdale sex grooming scandal. Maggie felt betrayed, ashamed and resigned. Since then Maggie has become a whistleblower and a strong advocate for the victims exposing the corruption and the cover-up of one the biggest ongoing child crimes in UK history. Recently Maggie Oliver revealed to the world the true reason why "Operation Augusta" was closed. In 2008 Prime Minister Gordon Brown sent out a circular to all Police Forces in the UK saying "Do not prosecute these rape gangs. These children are making a lifestyle choice." At the time of that circular Keir Starmer, the current Prime Minister, was the Director of Public Prosecutions. Why should we expect him to do anything about it? He was part of the cover-up and corruption. Recently there was a worldwide call for a New National Inquiry into the Muslim child rape gangs and their victims. People from all over the world including polticians, victims, family members of the victims and Elon Musk have been demanding a New National Inquiry into the Rape of Britain. On January 6th Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the UK announced that there would be No New National Inquiry. He is set to Block any New National Inquiry today January 8th by ordering the Labour MPs to vote against the new national inquiry. We will not take no for an answer Keir Starmer. To the MP's and to the Media. If politicians will not protect the children, we will make them. We will cause so much noise and so much fuss that you will have to listen. We will not back down, we will not be beaten into submission. If you call us racist or far-right because we want to protect the children, we don't care. We are coming for you anyway. We will not stop fighting until the children have justice and the criminals are imprisoned. A society that cannot defend its children has no future. At the time of this posting Tommy Robinson sits unjustly in solitary confinement in prison for his relentless 20 year fight to reveal this tragic truth to the world and to protect the daughters of Britain. We must unitedly with a loud voice demand his freedom.
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![You Can’t Make People Cheer For Your Wars After Committing A Live-Streamed Genocide I saw a clip of Fox News war propagandist Sean Hannity solemnly reading a tweet by Atlantic Council fellow Jamie Metzl which said, “It is profoundly disturbing that a growing segment of the far left appears to be almost rooting for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranian regime, and other forces fundamentally opposed to the US and our allies. This seems to reflect a corrosive strain of anti-Americanism dressed up in post-colonial theory that risks blinding us to the moral realities of our world and the nature of our adversaries.” These assholes really thought they could commit a genocide in full view of the entire world for years and then expect everyone cheer for them to win. Of course we’re seeing more “anti-Americanism”. You don’t get to commit horrific atrocities year after year and then cry when the world starts to hate you. ❖ CBS News reports the Pentagon has made detailed preparations to send US ground forces to Iran, while conscientious objector nonprofit Center on Conscience & War reports that they’re getting numerous calls from US service members who say they’ve received surprise deployment orders. Military experts for decades: Don’t go to war with Iran, they’ll close the Strait of Hormuz and kill US forces in the region, plus their terrain makes a ground invasion impossible. USA: [bombs Iran] Iran: [closes the Strait of Hormuz, kills US forces in the region] USA: USA: Let’s try a ground invasion. ❖ I can’t get over how many leftists bought into the “we support the Iran protests” schtick. Where the fuck did you idiots think this was headed? What did you think you were promoting when you assisted the US empire’s regime change sloganeering throughout the west? Fucking morons. ❖ Two great ways to make me permanently lose interest in your political perspective: Say negative things about the Iranian government during an active war propaganda campaign by the US empire. 2. Babble about “antisemitism on the left” like it’s a real thing in the year 2026. ❖ I used to think it’s wrong to massacre civilians and carpet bomb large cities but then a clever and insightful right winger informed me that if I was Iranian I’d be wearing a hijab, so now I think it’s good. ❖ It’s so funny how Trump apologists have started claiming the United States has been at war with Iran for 47 years, because I had literally never once heard anyone utter that claim until this war began. It’s just a talking point they all began regurgitating at once in order to justify Trump’s warmongering. Pretty sure if there was an ongoing decades-long American war I would have heard about it before March 2026. ❖ FYI if your main reason for caring about Trump raining military explosives on Iran is that it will help Democrats in the midterms, you’re a piece of shit. ❖ The American far right lives in a fantasy world where the United States would ordinarily be a beneficent, peaceful utopia if not for Israel, despite the fact that the US has been steeped in the blood of the innocent throughout its entire history since long before Israel existed. ❖ It’s just an unfortunate fact that historically the only way to get Americans to start forcefully opposing a US war is to give them some skin in the game. Last time it was the draft in Vietnam. Maybe this time it will be everything getting crazy expensive due to the war on Iran. ❖ The US would be as reluctant to go to war as Iran was if its leaders knew they’d be killed by the other side in the opening days of any conflict. Iran has shown that it’s always had the ability to bloody America’s nose in a war, yet its leaders displayed remarkable restraint in their efforts to avoid it. There are surely a lot of reasons for this, but one self-evident reason is that they knew if they went to war with the US and Israel, their own necks would be on the chopping block. Khamenei, Larijani and other officials who’ve been killed each had a personal vested interest in de-escalation. Imagine if that were the case for US and Israeli leadership? Their warmongering would stop immediately, and they’d pursue peace at every turn. This is the kind of cowardice that is driving these wars. They’re not fighting for causes they’d be willing to die for, they’re sending other people’s sons and daughters to kill other people’s sons and daughters for extremely stupid and unworthy reasons. Because they’re never the ones to pay the price. ❖ Reading by Tim Foley:](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2035331134951661980/amplify_video_thumb/2035329981413548032/img/l-EL2EUpKq9_rEiW.jpg)
!["I may be wrong about Elizondo...but I think that the rush to condemn him strikes me as premature [and], potentially, damaging to the community and to the disclosure effort." ~Dolan (This is WAY too long, and I probably should have spent my time on something else. But here it is. The video clips give you a taste of Richard Dolan's excellent 31-minute video.) "The theory that's been put out (by Gerb) contains, at least in my view, substantial problems of evidence, of chronology, and, at times, I just have to say, basic logic." ~Dolan "I am suggesting that Elizondo probably helped to create the opening that allowed Grusch to go even further." ~Dolan ~~~ Gerb in March: "When did Lue Elizondo start talking about crash retrievals? That was after David Grusch went public. You will not find him speaking about it beforehand." (As I've shown before, that's just not true. Did Gerb not do his research on that? I'll share A LOT of quotes from this Richard Dolan (Richard Dolan Intelligent Disclosure) podcast, and from my previous posts detailing the various times Lue has addressed crash retrievals. Plus, my take on various points. Dolan starts out by praising Gerb's research. I agree. Then he moves on to the Lue-was-brought-in-by Clapper claim.) Dolan: "The theory that's been put out (by Gerb) contains, at least in my view, substantial problems of evidence, of chronology, and, at times, I just have to say, basic logic." Dolan: Gerb claims Elizondo had to adapt his public position on crash retrievals because Grusch coming forward changed the game. "Gerb called this, adapt or die. "I think I understand what [Gerb] means by the controlled narrative and what it was intended to reveal and what it was supposed to hide (crash retrievals). What I still do NOT understand is why anyone protecting a retrieval program would initiate this type of a strategy." Dolan: Before 2017, one of the most significant protections for any alleged Legacy program was ridicule, silence and ignoring. "As long as UFOs remained culturally disreputable, any claims of crash retrievals were easily just brushed aside without any bother to investigate. That didn't change until December of 2017," and the two NYT articles. "That kickstarted a major, mainstream, national-security discussion. "So, if this was a controlled-disclosure program, my question simply is: You get the government, eventually admitting, that non-human intelligence seem to be operating advanced craft here, who could not know that the next questions would be inevitable? Like, have any of these crashed? Were any of these recovered? Where did the material go? Who's been studying it? In other words, this would, obviously, increase pressure on the retrieval secret. It would not protect it in any logical way. The most safest option would have to be continued silence. "Maybe this strategy could become plausible if insiders believed that something was about to emerge beyond their control, right? Some kind of trigger. Maybe there would be an imminent whistleblower that we do not know about 'til this day, that they were afraid of and they wanted to get out ahead of the narrative. Or some kind of foreign disclosure. Some other reason, some other cause that would prompt the secret keepers to think, 'Okay, we need to get out a controlled disclosure.' But, there really is no evidence that's presented, in any of Gerb's analysis, for such a triggering event. Why would the custodians of this secret, voluntarily, weaken the whole system that had protected them for decades and decades?" (Agree. I've had this convo with friends over the years about the theory that TTSA was created to get ahead of a disclosure effort that was coming from someone/somewhere else. But it never made sense because we could never find anything (disclosure-wise) that was happening before 2017 that would force the hand of the gatekeepers into starting some type of controlled disclosure such as what TTSA was allegedly doing. Except maybe... Dolan talks about how, when Hillary Clinton was running for President in 2015 and 2016, she mentioned UFOs and UAP in various interviews on the campaign trail. Dolan: That was gradually making UFOs, "slightly, and I would say, very slightly, becoming more acceptable to discuss." Plus, John Podesta (her campaign manager) was pushing for declassification of UFO files. "There were people at that time who really did believe that Hillary Clinton would become the Disclosure president." (I wanted to vote 3rd party in 2016 and didn't want to vote for Hillary, but did so, in part, in the hopes (slim hopes) that she would engage in some sort of disclosure, if she won.) Dolan: "I've always interpreted [Hillary talking UFOs during her campaign] as a much more, just pragmatic, you could almost say, cynical, if you want, treatment of the [UFO] subject, just to win some votes. The most that she ever said as a candidate, I think was, she would try to get to the bottom of this, whatever that means." (Well, she said more than that... ⬇️⬇️⬇️ “I think we may have been (visited already). We don’t know for sure.” ~Hillary Clinton That was covered in the NYT in 2015 My full post on that Hillary quote is here. ⬇️⬇️⬇️ And let's not forget the photo of Hillary from August 1995 where she's with Laurance Rockefeller on his ranch and holding Paul Davies' book, "Are We Alone? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life." She and President Clinton have an interest in this subject.) ~~~ Dolan: "I just think that the leap from a political opportunity - talking about UFOs during the campaign - to a kind of, James Clapper-managed disclosure operation? I just don't think that's been demonstrated and I don't find it very persuasive." ~~~ Dolan then gets back to this claim by Gerb... Gerb in March: "When did Lue Elizondo start talking about crash retrievals? That was after David Grusch went public (in 2023). You will not find him speaking about it beforehand." Dolan: Gerb said that, "Elizondo, essentially, avoided discussing crash retrievals, except for Roswell, And that is just not accurate." (The Lue-avoided-crash-retrievals-until-Grusch quote from Gerb in March didn't include an exception about Roswell so maybe Gerb saw my posts on that and updated his claim? But it's still wrong. Dolan brought up Lue's comments on Tucker Carlson in May of 2019, but no other comments from Lue. I covered that and much more in various posts, which I'll share here.) Did Lue Avoid Talking About Crash Retrievals Before Grusch Went Public in 2023? From the 12/16/17 NYT article that started it all. "Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, [BAASS] modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena." (Not a direct quote, and not exactly "crash retrievals of vehicles" but the seed had been planted in that first article. We know now (allegedly) that at least one of those buildings was supposed to store exotic materials that Lockheed was going to divest itself from, but the CIA nixed it all. Again, allegedly.) ~May of 2019~ Tucker Carlson: "Do you believe, based on your decade of serving in the U.S. government, on this question, that the U.S. government has in its possession any material from one of these aircrafts?" Lue: "Whoa. Umm…I do, yes." Tucker Carlson: "You think the U.S. government has debris from a UFO in its possession right now?" Lue: "Unfortunately, Tucker, I really have to be careful of my NDA. I really can’t go into a lot of…more detail than that." Tucker Carlson: "Okay." (And that could have been the end of the interview. But Lue decided to add this.) Lue: "But…simply put, yes." ~ NYT article in July of 2020... "Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study." ~ "My personal belief in Roswell? 100%. But I cannot speak officially and I cannot discuss about anything else that may or may not have transcribed." ~Lue on "Disclosure Tonight in Feb. 2021 Source: ~ Lue on Clubhouse in July of 2021 Lue: "Am I aware of the notion that there was some sort of retrieval of biological samples? Yes, I am aware of that notion. Am I aware that there may have been some U.S. government involvement in that? Yes, I am aware of that as well. I am aware that people have talked about it and I have heard it as well...regarding, anecdotally, of biological recovery." Source and longer transcript... ~ Lue on Dossier X in April of 2021 Lue: "You said something...that (Roswell) was the 1st time the U.S. gov't was engaged, and I'll share with you, that may not necessarily be true. There may be anecdotal information that indicates that perhaps the U.S. government was involved even before that, in purported, recovery-type activities." Host: "You mean probably 1942, in Los Angeles or something?" Lue: "I don't wanna elaborate, yet. I think some information's gonna come to light here, probably pretty soon, about some interesting incidents. Again, it's not up to me...there are some people out there are willing to come forward, I think. I'm just providing you the information that was indicated to me. I think we need to be careful jumping to presumptions or assumptions that Roswell was the first event similar to what we're thinking about." Source: ~ "I think people would be surprised to know there's more to Roswell than I think most people are aware of. Some people are aware of it. But, you know, there's more to Roswell and there's other similar incidents that are equally compelling." ~Lue on UFO Garage in 2022 Source: ~~~ March of 2022 - My Interview with Lue Murgia: "You said you believe Roswell was real. Are you as confident in other incidents as you are with Roswell?" Lue: "Yeah." Murgia: "Yes?" Lue: "Yeah." Murgia: "Okay." Lue: "Yeah." Murgia: After you were on Tucker and said you believed the U.S. government had material and debris from a UFO, "Eric Davis came out and said, '100%!' And he said landed craft, too. Did you see that when that came out?" Lue: "I'm aware of that." Murgia: "(laughs) Okay." (Probably an inappropriate laugh by me as Lue was dead serious and probably pushing the limits of what he was allowed to say in public about crash retrievals. He later said this in his November 2024 congressional testimony.) Lue in 2024: "I signed documentation three years ago that restricts my ability to discuss, specifically, crash retrievals." (I wonder what would have happened if he had refused to sign that?) ~~~ Dolan: "Grusch definitely went further (than Lue), much further, yes. That's a lot different from claiming that Elizondo kept retrievals outside the public narrative until Grusch forced his hand. And you really have to ask, if Elizondo's job was NOT to reveal the crash retrieval program, why, in 2019 - again, four years before David Grusch, is he going on and putting it out there? It just seems like there's a chronology problem there." (1000%, Richard! Makes no sense. My June 29th post was entitled... If Elizondo Was Brought in to Control the UFO Narrative Away from Crash Retrievals, He Did a Poor Job 🛸 Nice to see Richard and I on the same page with that. Richard speculates how the disclosure effort would look like right now if Lue hadn't gone public. Would we have several UAP hearings in the books by now? Would David Grusch had come forward? No way to know.) Dolan: "But I will say, or suggest, that it's entirely reasonable to think that Elizondo helped to create the institutional and cultural conditions that made someone like David Grusch possible. Elizondo did not keep retrieval out of the discussion." (In July of 2023, I directed this tweet to Lue.) "None of this would be happening without you." ~Murgia (Over the top and a bit fan-boyish? Probably. But... Knapp talking with Senator Harry Reid about Lazar and UFOs in 1989 - in a limo headed to the airport that would later bear Reid’s name - was a vital part of getting this whole thing started. Lacatski and Stratton launching the more recent effort around 2005, which eventually led to AAWSAP, AATIP and the UAPTF, was also REALLY important. But Lue going public in 2017 was MASSIVE. The media coverage that followed brought a ton of new people into the topic, and I’m not sure where we’d be today without it. Dolan goes on to talk about Clapper and how it's conceivable he would be on top of any alleged Legacy UAP/crash retrieval program. But he failed to note what Grusch said this past January on "The Megyn Kelly Show." Grusch: "General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and...he placed people in critical roles to manage this issue." (Is Lue one of the people Grusch was referring to? Does he have proof of that? From my own information, I have no doubt that Clapper was instrumental in Lue being connected to the UFO topic. But exactly how that went down and what did it entail? I don't know. I hope Clapper speaks to all of this in detail one day soon.) ~ Dolan: "Gerb has stated that Clapper gave cover to AATIP and, basically, directed the National Security Council retrieval activities. And that he selected Elizondo as the front man. Gerb described Clapper as the mob boss of the NSC crash-retrieval portfolio. "Those are very, very powerful allegations. I'm not saying they're NOT true, but that interview with Ross Coulthart, I would say, did not produce anything in the way that anyone would actually call evidence. Like, there was no documents...or firsthand witnesses that were named, or anything like that. "So you have this, basically, a link from Clapper, to the NSC operation, to AATIP, to Elizondo, to controlled disclosure. This could be true, but no one's seen any receipts on this, and I would like to. "And there's more things that I think raise questions about this whole scenario, frankly. I mean, I think of the Pentagon campaign against Lue Elizondo, which lasted for many years. Any theory that has Elizondo as a controlled-disclosure frontman, I think has to account for the documented, institutional effort by the Pentagon to undermine Lue Elizondo." (When the Pentagon spokespeople said that Lue had no assigned responsibilities for AATIP, it's not so clear cut to say they were trying to undermine Lue, since AAWSAP also had the nickname of AATIP, which I'll call AATIP 1. So, if we're talking about AATIP 1 (AAWSAP), Lue did NOT have any assigned responsibilities, except early on when he did some counter-intelligence. And if we're talking AATIP 2, which Stratton said he created in 2015, Knapp explained in 2019 that it was, "not so much a program as it was a loose network of intelligence officials in different agencies." And on April 8th of this year, Lacatski told Knapp that, "they started using AATIP in 2015-16 to describe their uh...what would you describe that as, more lunchtime get togethers? And George Knapp is laughing. I don't know how else to describe it." That tells me Lacatski felt AATIP was REALLY informal, and that could explain why Lue's role wasn't clear cut in the minds of those spokespeople, and why so many of my contacts told me he wasn't the director of AATIP. But those same folks also told me Lue played in an important role in that effort. My guess is that, since AATIP was so informal, there really was NO official director, but that should be clarified when Stratton's book comes out. Semantics? Maybe.) Dolan: Gerb's hypothesis featuring, "the management of an approved public representative (Lue) of a controlled-disclosure narrative...just doesn't make sense to me. What does make sense to me is something like a factional conflict. I think [that's] much more of a logical explanation for everything that we have seen. You have one group that may have supported some kind of opening - not even necessarily a complete opening - while another fought to preserve the secrecy as much as possible. "But that's a bureaucratic struggle. That's not, necessarily, a unified, controlled-disclosure operation. So I think that is a contradiction that was not really adequately discussed in this hypothesis. "I may be wrong about Elizondo, and I'm not here, again, to be his defense attorney. But I think that the rush to condemn him strikes me as premature. It strikes me also as, potentially, damaging to the community and to the disclosure effort, frankly. We can investigate serious allegations without first assigning everyone the role of either hero or villain. "So, I guess I would say that Gerb may have genuinely identified some real relationships and hidden activity. In fact, knowing his excellent research track record, I would be surprised if he didn't. "Elizondo - probably - does have undisclosed elements in his background, and I have no doubt he knows much more than he has said. When I look at the this idea of, like. you look at TTSA coming out at the end of 2016, and you see, basically, a kind of faction that had a very managed narrative indeed. Like, they did not come out and talk about crash retrievals. They did not at all. They talked about these military encounters and sensor readings and this type of thing. And that's a lot less interesting than crash retrievals. "But I try to look at it from, let's say you're a Pentagon insider and you are trying to fight for an opening in the public conversation. You're not gonna start with crash retrievals. First of all, you may not have the receipts on them yourself, to provide to the public. And also you're gonna know, right off the bat, that that's going to be a bigger hill to climb than just trying to get Congress to look at some of the more easily-verifiable reports that you probably have available. So, you're probably going to take it in a very tactical, strategic way. "That's not the same thing as saying that they're lying. It could simply be that was a strategy that was decided upon by these insiders. It's also possible they may not have believed in an uncontrolled, catastrophic disclosure. We can disagree with them on that, or you can agree with them on that. But again, I don't know that that's the same thing as saying that they're actually being dishonest. "If the factional thesis that I believe in is correct, then you'd have to assume that these people have to have their strategies and tactics in this broader struggle. Like, it would be ridiculous not to assume that. "So, I think, you know, it's entirely possible that someone like Elizondo has elements in his background that we would want to know about that are not there. It is very intriguing, and even plausible, perhaps, that someone like Clapper belongs somewhere in this deeper history. I would like to know what that is myself, and I would like to see something, you know, in the way of what we would call genuine evidence for that. Not saying it's not there. "I'm just suggesting that the current theory on Elizondo and controlled disclosure is asking us to accept several unsupported links, and, essentially, I would say a disclosure strategy that appears self-defeating and really illogical. Again, like, why initiate a disclosure program? Especially if you go back to the beginning of the AATIP era, like 2009-ish, 2010. Where was there any perceived need that we have to do disclosure?" (Not sure why Richard is not calling the 2009-ish, 2010-era, AAWSAP. I wonder if he knows that Stratton says he created AATIP in 2015? Could be relevant to this controversy.) Dolan: "Like, I look back at the situation at that time, and again, I was very, very on top of the scene at that time during those years, and I just was not aware of any public pressure, whatsoever, that would cause someone to say, 'We have to initiate a controlled disclosure of this, in order to protect crash retrievals.' "There's no logic there, it seems to me. It's, in fact, the exact opposite. "Also, the the current hypothesis, I think, really understates Elizondo's 2019 acknowledgement of recovered UFO material. That really has got to be understood. And it leaves the whole Pentagon campaign against Elizondo, in my view, anyway, largely unresolved and unexplained, and really not making sense. "And, I would just add, now that I'm thinking of it, this current hypothesis about Lue Elizondo, I think, actually reverses the the genuine historical sequence. In other words, I am suggesting that Elizondo probably helped to create the opening that allowed Grusch to go even further. "So, these are just logical questions that I have. You may have different questions. You may have rebuttals to what I have to say here. By all means, put them in a comment, I will read them. And again, I'm not here to defend Lue Elizondo, I am just questioning an account that does not yet, in my view, explain its own logic, or match the full chronology. "It is entirely possible that some of this story is well-known to researchers, including Gerb. I think, however, what has been presented so far does not show how all the pieces actually fit together, and I would like to see that. "And again, I say this with total respect to UAP Gerb and to Ross Coulthart, and in fairness to Lue Elizondo, who I think, if nothing else, this aspect of the history really needs to be understood by the broader community. So that is my statement. "And that doesn't mean that I'm right here, but I do think from time-to-time, it's okay to take a stand on a topic where I can see many people are going to disagree with this, but certain things I think need to be understood on this, and I hope that we can have a reasoned dialogue and discussion about this as we move forward with it, because it is a topic that we do need to understand. "My hypothesis has, pretty much, from the beginning, always been that what we are seeing and what we have been seeing since 2017 is, essentially, the result of a factional battle." (I believe Lue spoke about factions early on when he first went public.) "You go back through the history of this phenomenon, and if you read the old books going back to the 1950s, you see it then, too. You see that there were always factions within the Pentagon who did actually support some level of openness on the UFO subject. "You read the books of Donald Keyhoe, read the book by Edward Ruppelt from 1956: 'Report on Unidentified Flying Objects.' A lot of this is in there. And I think that's really never gone away. And so to somehow assume that there are no more factions in a massive labyrinthian structure as large as the U.S. military industrial complex, I think that's kind of ridiculous. There's always going to be factions. And I think that what we are seeing has always struck me as the result of a factional war that is taking place. "And that doesn't mean, by the way, that, you know, the two sides are just white hats and black hats. Everyone's got their own angle, everyone's got their own motivations. But I, nevertheless, tend to think that that is what we are looking at."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2084538028572430772/amplify_video_thumb/2084536612109860864/img/9DvVsfAYTKl5EUNt.jpg)