Thank you to Mikhail Gorbachev for helping fact check Tucker here. This whole interview was surprisingly insightful for revealing the central conflict in our world today. People like Tucker don’t hide it anymore. It’s between those who support a better rules-based world of nation states and those, like Tucker,... who want to see the world dragged back to an age of empires - just as Hitler and Stalin tried together. Tucker is enthralled to Russia, repeatedly arguing that countries like Britain wouldn’t be threatened if they just let Russia take Ukraine and dominate its neighbours. Anyone with a basic understanding of history ain’t buying it. Jacob Rees-Mogg puts up a firmer defence of nation states than Tucker was expecting. He points out that signalling weakness to dictators and letting them consume ever more territory does not enhance anyone’s security. In reality, all nations are better off when sovereignty is respected within a rules-based system that allows smaller countries to exist too. It’s the most basic principle of the post-WW2 era, which helped create the most extraordinarily prosperous and peaceful period of world history. And that includes the sovereign right of every nation to decide its own security alliances hence why, as Gorbachev says, there was no agreement that countries like the Baltics can’t join NATO. Tucker refuses to answer whether it was a mistake for the US to guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, along with the UK and Russia, in exchange for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons. He can’t answer because he clearly still wants nations like Ukraine to lower their defences in exchange for false guarantees. Remember that.show more

A small pearl in this giant heap of trash is that Carlson thinks the fake "promise" on NATO (1990) was AFTER Budapest memorandum (1994). There are 2 ways a Western pundit can express russian PoV: being dumb as fuck, and being paid by russia. Impressively, Carlson is both.

Congrats to Carlson for making me think Jacob Rees-Mogg is actually a decent politician.

This is the first time I've actually admired Jacob Rees Mogg. Good on him for pushing back firmly against this apologist for Russian aggression.

Not a fan of Rees-Mogg but to be fair to the guy he give Carlson a lesson here.

It’s obvious that Rees-Mogg is the perfect opponent to this rethoric. Instead of left vs right, it’s right vs crazy right.

It makes perfect sense when you realize where Tucker's money comes from.

"why is it okay for the UK to decide whether or not Russia takes Ukraine?" Russia was also a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum you dumb fuck

Excellent take and well made point. Rare to find that on xitter these days. Just bots and simpletons arguing that we’d all be better off somehow under the Nazis or some random jumped up dictator who goes on a land grab. Thinking somehow their lives would their own still.

@FellaRees I usually have no time for Rees-Mogg but he knows how to debate and Carlos being a moron just floundered. Plus he’s right of course.

So he's saying "my own country's territorial integrity: yes, yes, yes. Other countries': no, no, no.

For once I agree with the Minister for the 18th century. When Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 Obama sat on his hands - the west did nothing…Putin saw it as weakness. Now we are paying the price of that collective paralysis. Appeasement has never worked.

And what would Tucker have said to the truth?

It is almost impossible to find people as ignorant and stupid as Tucker Carlson.

How did this guy get famous. HE IS NOT INTELLIGENT AT ALL

I listened to the entire episode and what I was surprised by was how Jacob didn’t call out tucker when he kept repeating that the US and the UK are waging a war on Russia. He’s so obviously trying to shift the blame and make the aggressor the victim. I hate Tucker Carlson

Mogg! Serbia!? Twat!

HE IS SO DAFT

Tucker is a pacifist. History shows that doesn’t work, because humans are never satisfied with “enough”. Power always seeks more power.

the budapest memorandum thing is wild because tucker literally wont engage it. its on paper. three countries signed. he just moves on

@joni_askola Let’s not over analyse tucker. He’s paid to say these things

Watching Tucker get schooled is entertaining

It just shows that we do not need to talk to Ruzzian progandists like Carlson. Do not give them any changes to spread faschist - raschist idiotic ideas. They Are evil and evil you have to fight , not to talk to!

odd that- to expect the US to imperially impose its norm, the nation state, on nations around the world in the name of anti-imperialism.

I’ll slap tf out him

They are both missing the point, but while Mogg is pro real British interests, Carlson is representing American fractions against the US interests. I remember an idea of him running in the elections for the President - lucky Americans it did not happen

i'd defend my wire's territorial integrity, but the pigeons have superior numbers

All assuming it wasn't the NATO alliance threatening Russia in the first place but sure, do go on.