The left establishment has always tolerated its vanguard, sometimes to its detriment, but on balance as a useful political force. Can the right learn a similar lesson as its institutions are reformed in the post Trump era? This is the counterbalance to the clip below.

Listen to the full episode to get @christopherrufo's answer to this. There may be asymmetries that make this difficult (like control of higher-ed, where leftists silo their vanguard), but it's worth attempting.

So did I tell you about that time I told this dildo in ass stuffer about starting a gang that wore the same outfit like in that one 70s movie…

When you're a right-wing radical conservatives cancel you. When you're a left-wing terrorist you get tenure at UIC. This is because the far-left just leads us back again to the civil-rights tyranny that already exists, whereas the right has dangerous, revolutionary ideas.

In order to do so, the right must embrace or at least tolerate uses of extrajudicial force.

Doubtful. You guys all use leftist morality to gatekeep the far right. Ask your boss Glenn Beck if he’ll tolerate purging Jews from conservative media.

The left vanguard has status because the "moderate" left rewards it. Former vanguards become regime figures as they age/moderate (without humiliation rituals), the moderate left does not demand correction of its vanguard, and even those radicals that go too far and are punished by the right and center are rehabilitated, forgiven, and sinecured by the next time the "moderate" left takes power. This gives the moderate left maneuvering room and a proving ground for new talent a generation out. The right has "a fringe", as Rufo argues, but this is not because of an inherent quality but a strategic reality. The moderate right does not excuse its vanguard. It does not pardon its radicals. It does not sinecure its adherents. Moving from the "fringe" to the "respectable" position requires denunciation or humiliation to "redeem" the offender. The right has a low-status fringe because it concedes to the left that it is status, while the left has a high-status vanguard because the right cannot force the left to do the same. The only solutions here are: 1. The right gains absolute power to enforce status on the left 2. The right mirrors the left and generationally protects its vanguard to counterbalance the leftward ratchet The first is not going to happen, because moral power in an argument is downstream from will, and the right lacks even the will to accept the second, lesser form of power politics.

I am not sure we can because so many people interpret “conservative” as meaning your 401K always goes up in value.

The right acts as the establishment left's vanguard on the other side. Politically speaking there is no actual right.

Thanks for sticking up for us tards Lomez. But this bar is boring now not only because everyone is lame, they’ve (also?) just messed the algorithm up.

The left tolerates its vanguard because they’re both going in the same direction, just at different speeds. The donors, who are also ideologically aligned with the base, fund a lot of vanguard work. The base of the right is in conflict with its business donor class. They’re not going in the same direction. The donors don’t fund right wing radicals, they fund business-friendly institutions. Only if business conservatives accept that their future is irrevocably tied to the conservative base and nothing else will they support the political vanguard of that base. Plus a lot of the right fringe is not interested in politics. Conspiracies and Jesus are their stock in trade.

ConInc isn't on the Right. Yall are meant to undermine & contain the actual Right.

The left tolerates its vanguard because fanatics are more willing to take on risk, invest more time, to do their labor/community organizing. The right needs its own organizer class, developed by an activist school that studies and adapts the left’s organizational methods.

at least the leftoid vanguard aka blue haired DSAers service the DNC by harvesting ballots from drug addicts and so forth. tucker and fuentes just tell people not to vote because israeli demons something or other. the retard left is more useful idiot, the retard right just idiot

Both LW & RW entryism corrodes the center just as partisan media from opposing ideologies crowded out objective news outlets. This is bad advice driven by your thirst for political power. Instead of wanting some mean mfs nearby to look tough, try fight the LW lunatics harder.

Very often to its detriment. See the Girondins in revolutionary France or the Mensheviks in revolutionary Russia.

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These kinds of Machiavellian tactics are interesting, worth discussing, and why I enjoy your commentary.

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"Post Trump" Boy, you guys aren't ready for the Vance era, at all.

Doubtful. Vanguardism is inherent to progressivism and its organs (the arts, academia, the nonprofit protest space). On the right we have a conservatism that’s inherently hostile to vanguardism on one hand and a populist movement that’s inherently anti-elite on the other.

It will have to or it wont achieve anything.