The only logical lesson from the Chat Control debacle is that the EU's current structure is a bit flawed, and requires overhaul into a Federation of Nations where it becomes clear who is responsible for what, which is vital for a democratic feedback loop. Unite Europe! 🇪🇺

>EU tries to implement totalitarian overreach policy >”We need more EU!” Yeah sure buddy, we need less of this shit.

The only solution is to uninstall the EU or arrest the traitors.

> abuse power to pass laws nobody wants > "Let's give them more power"

Suggesting we need more EU federation right after Chat Control 1.0 — and right before the even worse 2.0 vote undermining encryption and privacy — is delusional at best, and a deliberate provocation at worst. This is exactly why people are rightfully turning against the project.

No we need to end EU ! It has become the new soviet union! We should go back to a trade union!

No, we need the complete abolishment of the EU. This political project has failed and will continue failing as long as it exists.

EU gone rogue & your solution is to give EU more power over us by federalism You’re a crackpot Enjoy the war

A bit flawed? It is diabolical. It needs to end before we go back to being nation states.

A bit flawed? The whole structure is designed so no one understands it on purpose. And the exact reason for that is, so laws can be passed no matter how the people vote or think about it. There is always a backdoor to steer the outcome. I would say, it works perfectly as designed. (I would like the design to be a bit different tho)

that reminds me of 2005, the dutch and french overwhelmingly voted no to the then monstrous eu constitution. my eu friends very earnestly informed me that the no demonstrated the need for more eu not less. a story as old as time

I am from Serbia and i get offended when you put that blue nato scum color OVER my country WE ARE RED BLUE AND WHITE WE DONT WANT TO BE WITH YOU , WE WANT TO BE WITH OUR RUSSIAN BROTHERS IN BRICS 🇷🇸🇷🇺 SUCK ROPE PAL

Or, bring Real Democracy back, and have a Europe with maximum Subsidiarity: the democracies of each Nation State. And have a light common structure; an economic federation. Basically the EEC from back in the day. This may have been the optimum point, and we have now passed it

>the most obvious example of the problem with central governance >lets double on that idea I truly don't even know anymore where this stems from. Brain injury maybe?

You cannot be this retarded

If the “lesson” you took from Chat Control is “let’s give this structure even MORE power and centralise it into a federation”, you didn’t understand a single thing about what just happened. They abused the system, tried mass surveillance, and you give them more power??

Let it go bro. EU only exists to destroy European values as that is the greatest threat to the elites.

NO FUCKING WAY ! Fuck the EU and all its form.

oh of course the EU needs even MORE power, naturally!!

The logical lessom is that the EU is a fundamentally undemocratic institution that will butcher individual rights as soon as It is convenient for them. Europeism is fake, it's a fraud destined to legitimize imperialism, German hegemony in Europe and corporate interest.

The mental gymnastics required to turn this into a pro-federation argument. "Let's take the current organization and make it even more powerful. That will fix it's corruption and authoritarianism."

"a bit flawed" A complete and irreparable disaster.

Somehow requiring absolute majority to reject a proposed law, instead of to pass it, is simply evil. EU needs a lot of reforms before it can get more federal

The ONLY workable plan for Europe

"A bit flawed." You've been this close, and yet you still refuse to see it. 🤡

Ue e democrazia sono agli estremi opposti

The EU should go back to its CORE rules of free travel and trade between countries. nothing more nothing less.

I think we need to keep the EU, but keep it more difficult for the EU to add new rules, have more surveillance over what is being done and by who in the EU (stops secret meetings, etc), and make the democracy more direct. The EU should a bit more a tool for the people I believe.

"bit flawed" 🤡

Dismantle this totalitarian nightmare!

Never

Fuck that! Take back out sovereignty!

Leave the EU and form a Scandinavian Union instead ❤️

And a law to establish the death penalty for everyone who pushes laws that clearly violate the constitution, human rights, .....