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The problem with consumer AI in a nutshell is if you hand an uninitiated user an agent, it's nothing but a blank box to them. Coders get it instantly, but for everyone else it’s just not intuitive. Solve that, and you reach the next few hundred million real adopters.

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Nikita Bier profil fotoğrafı

Nikita Bier2 gün önce

AI’s disruption to all technical work is entirely a function of the speed that non-coders begin adopting. Post Astra/Opus, it is already sufficiently capable; it’s now only a user experience and learning curve barrier.

Josh Elman profil fotoğrafı

Josh Elman2 gün önce

Yup. Since almost a year ago it flipped from a model problem (finally good enough!) to an experience problem. OpenClaw was the first mini aha moment - still not for the faint of heart. But now we are just starting to see consumer experiences that can be. Why I am back in VC :)

Anshu Sharma 🌶 profil fotoğrafı

Anshu Sharma 🌶2 gün önce

@nikitabier The answer is: apps. While builders want super apps, or blank boxes - humans want guided experiences and namespaces. * Travel agent/app * Shopping agent/app * Health agent/app * Stocks agent/app * Money agent/app So much to ship. One use case at a time (and then spiral out).

Josh Elman profil fotoğrafı

Josh Elman2 gün önce

@nikitabier Yes

Dave Fano profil fotoğrafı

Dave Fano2 gün önce

It’s also more work, not less. Netflix is less work. shopping is less work. Consumers don’t really want to design productivity or delegation in to their lives.

Zach profil fotoğrafı

Zach2 gün önce

Any consumer agent builders who want an interesting solution for their users? DM!

Erik Lammerding profil fotoğrafı

Erik Lammerding2 gün önce

Thanks Josh, great consumer lens as always. Prediction: Muse gets muted by Apple Messages. Messages + DoorDash shows how Apple cracks the "black box" you describe: they win w/developer relationships, privacy, E2EE, Passwords app, ApplePay all inside iOS's most-used app. Lowest friction wins.

Josh Elman profil fotoğrafı

Josh Elman2 gün önce

Thank you — and I know you get it. Man didn’t realize you were at Nvidia - you have always served the world’s most important community - developers with the biggest platforms

satvik profil fotoğrafı

satvik2 gün önce

Working on exactly this and would love to chat about it.

Shashank profil fotoğrafı

Shashank2 gün önce

The most entertaining outcome is the most likely. @elonmusk

Emanuel Scirlet profil fotoğrafı

Emanuel Scirlet2 gün önce

100%. People need to get out of the various tech bubbles and invent new user experiences driven by AI capabilities for regular users

Charlie Cafazza profil fotoğrafı

Charlie Cafazza2 gün önce

If Muse leans more heavily on this tab, time in app will skyrocket.

Don Fotsch 🌵🇺🇸 profil fotoğrafı

Don Fotsch 🌵🇺🇸2 gün önce

just like taking a person to a hardware store who has never done things with their hands… we (not engineers , not builders) tend to keep saying and thinking “we’ve never seen anything like this before” not true as humans, we’ve been through many technologically rooted, massive productivity gains… it’s just that most of us are not builders so their tends to be lots of hype and FUD while the builders quietly harness the productivity benefit of technology waves, almost always delivering many many purpose built uses of the tech where industry/domain knowledge unlocks the value of Applying the tech in daily business and consumer activities… behaviorally, Google has made one of the most useful “on-ramps” to purpose built AI Chatbot here they’ve leveraged the behavior of “Googling something” to introduce anyone who searches to a conversational search; lots and lots of people are stumbling into “purpose specific AI” in this way because their Google search is purpose specific to begin with

Swetha Prabhakar profil fotoğrafı

Swetha Prabhakar2 gün önce

Hi @grok — Isn’t the blank box problem worse for coders? Prompt engineering isn’t building; it’s generating code.

Kyle G profil fotoğrafı

Kyle G2 gün önce

The uninitiated user is 99% of households. The winning agent shows up already knowing the family.

//Kalos profil fotoğrafı

//Kalos2 gün önce

Context informed initiation is one solution and creative discovery would is another - send me a dm and I’ll show you some stuff I’ve been working on that I think may be interesting conceptually, plus would love to hear your take!

Michael Goldstein profil fotoğrafı

Michael Goldstein2 gün önce

completely agree.

Brian Meewes | Shift profil fotoğrafı

Brian Meewes | Shift2 gün önce

Just get a mom to download everything in her head to someone she trusts. I suspect the solution is a bit more human than most realize.

il concetto profil fotoğrafı

il concetto2 gün önce

coders know to type into the box. everyone else needs the agent to start the conversation and ask what they're trying to do.

Natalie profil fotoğrafı

Natalie2 gün önce

absolutely, the biggest challenge is how to have a great experience with freemium while not having a large tokens bill

Pratik Garg profil fotoğrafı

Pratik Garg2 gün önce

Exactly Josh and I am guilty of getting into that trap and so is everyone else when competing with instinct ai or muse or dots. Coders get agents instantly because they arrive with a backlog of well-defined tasks. Everyone else has to think of something to delegate before they can type anything, and delegating is a skill most people have never practised. So better onboarding or suggested prompts won't fix the blank box. The product has to supply the task itself. We are now looking into the mvp for a couple therapist with similar concept to dots! Do you think a self aware agent like that has a place in the ecosystem?

Jonathan Unikowski profil fotoğrafı

Jonathan Unikowski2 gün önce

hear hear

bharat chaganty profil fotoğrafı

bharat chaganty2 gün önce

building incredible onboarding is key, coz onboardin would be disguise giving the the system enogh context for it to never start off as a blank box so onboarding ideally becomes the new frontier here.

abhi profil fotoğrafı

abhi2 gün önce

@illscience What are your thoughts on general purpose consumer agents vs branded, packaged, use case specific agents

Josh Elman profil fotoğrafı

Josh Elman2 gün önce

@illscience I think the answer is both ! And sometimes your general purpose agents will transfer you to a specific / expert one

MR - Michael Robertson profil fotoğrafı

MR - Michael Robertson2 gün önce

Grok Bot now proactively scans your email and identifies ways it can help which is very helpful.

karl profil fotoğrafı

karl2 gün önce

Exactly

Chuan profil fotoğrafı

Chuan2 gün önce

The ai capability improves every week, but the ux is years behind.

John Rood profil fotoğrafı

John Rood2 gün önce

Start in the share sheet: send a PDF, screenshot or email to the agent, then offer two things it can do with it. The user already has the object; making them describe it again in an empty chat box throws away the context.

Rahul profil fotoğrafı

Rahul2 gün önce

One thing Instinct nailed was asking users to connect their email early. Once it has that context, it can immediately show what a personal agent can actually do. And I do think the next wave is gonna make these agents friendly and polished enough that people outside tech start using them every day. Like how we came from OpenClaw to what we have now.

Tony profil fotoğrafı

Tony2 gün önce

Its a very chicken and the egg problem. Even with Muse you need to approve connectors. Do you see a middle data aggregation layer showing up?

Nicholas George profil fotoğrafı

Nicholas George2 gün önce

Yeah

I Wo Main Yo profil fotoğrafı

I Wo Main Yo2 gün önce

Exactly. Nobody wants a one click bot, they want a one click plumper, electrician, mechanic, etc.

Zee Waheed profil fotoğrafı

Zee Waheed2 gün önce

@illscience IMO the UI is actually a very powerful lever here, one takeaway from Muse is that it still matters enormously even with models with exceptional general capabilities

Magnus profil fotoğrafı

Magnus2 gün önce

@illscience AI native hardware will take that lift. 1 button + voice-only + standalone design without phone dependency

Jeremy Bosma profil fotoğrafı

Jeremy Bosma2 gün önce

yeah empty chat box is rough. starting from stuff already in their inbox helps a lot

Frank Pepper profil fotoğrafı

Frank Pepper2 gün önce

@illscience I love watching talk about things they are passionate about

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