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The problem with most Bitcoin Layer 2s being worked on today - including Lightning, Ark, pretty much every BitVM-bridged L2, etc - is that they don't meaningfully contribute to Bitcoin's security budget. There exists a fundamental tension between the need for Bitcoin scaling solutions - which ostensibly take txs...

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OG Barry Silbert believes #Bittensor has the potential to be bigger than #Bitcoin ⚫️ "When I think about ways that #Bitcoin could be improved upon.. I believe, is to utilize the incentive being paid to #Bitcoin miners to incent an activity beyond just securing the network" "So with #Bittensor, potentially, given that it is identical to #Bitcoin and that it was a fair launch, there was no VC funding or foundation or pre-mine, there was no airdrops, it's capped at 21 million, you have halvings.. it's just like #Bitcoin" "But the difference, and I think kind of the benefit, is the incentive used by #Bitcoin miners is instead being redirected to build out #Bittensor and to incent people to engage" "And from that perspective, there's no reason to believe that #Bittensor could not be as big or even bigger than #Bitcoin" Full #Bittensor documentary dropping October 29, 2025 👇 $TAO
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OG Barry Silbert believes #Bittensor has the potential to be bigger than #Bitcoin ⚫️ "When I think about ways that #Bitcoin could be improved upon.. I believe, is to utilize the incentive being paid to #Bitcoin miners to incent an activity beyond just securing the network" "So with #Bittensor, potentially, given that it is identical to #Bitcoin and that it was a fair launch, there was no VC funding or foundation or pre-mine, there was no airdrops, it's capped at 21 million, you have halvings.. it's just like #Bitcoin" "But the difference, and I think kind of the benefit, is the incentive used by #Bitcoin miners is instead being redirected to build out #Bittensor and to incent people to engage" "And from that perspective, there's no reason to believe that #Bittensor could not be as big or even bigger than #Bitcoin" Full #Bittensor documentary dropping October 29, 2025 👇 $TAO

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