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Theorem co-founder Rajashree Agrawal breaks formal verification into 3 problems and says AI already solved the one everyone thought was hard: "The core challenge is taking these programs and shoving them into a proof assistant, and then being able to phrase these questions. That's the theorem statement generation problem."...

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jsmorphvor 1 Monat

@rajashree If the program is compiled, then maybe verify the executable, too. Here's a verified GPT2 executable: More at

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RAZA | AI EXPLORERvor 1 Monat

@rajashree Breaking verification into these layers makes the challenge much easier to understand.

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Prince Kushwahavor 1 Monat

@rajashree Proof generation scales cleanly with GPU search, but proof checking gets choked by single-threaded CPU kernels running type elaboration on massive proof terms.

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Yanush Feshtervor 1 Monat

They did not kill the mathematician. They moved the hard part into a sentence. Statement and checking are still the job. A generator that grades its own proof is the part you do not want to automate first. Witten is not unemployed. He is the remaining bottleneck you just advertised.

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Abevor 1 Monat

@rajashree Tools like deepMet and Dream RSI make this 🚀🛸

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Tony Tong | Founder | Ancient Systems x AIvor 1 Monat

@rajashree That third bottleneck is where I've actually lived. Chasing a floating point mismatch across CPU vendors on an inference migration ate weeks, generating the answer was never the hard step, getting two chips to agree on it was. Verification is where the real clock runs.

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Praveen Jattavor 1 Monat

Formal verification is the part of AI reliability that almost nobody is talking about in policy circles. If AI can now help prove program correctness, we should be baking verification requirements into high-stakes AI procurement and critical infrastructure. #AIPolicy #AIGovernance

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