This is comical. Ortlund spends every minute of his time trying to refute historical Christianity found in Orthodoxy and Catholicism but the second Calvinism is called into question by other Protestants he appeals to the “historical witness” in Augustine and Aquinas😂

Prayer of Saint Augustine to the Blessed Virgin O blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay thee thy just dues of praise and thanksgiving, thou who by the wondrous assent of thy will didst rescue a fallen world? What songs of praise can our weak human nature recite in thy honor, since it is by thy intervention alone that it has found the way to restoration. Accept, then, such poor thanks as we have here to offer, though they be unequal to thy merits; and receiving our vows, obtain by thy prayers the remission of our offenses. Carry thou our prayers within the sanctuary of the heavenly audience, and bring forth from it the antidote of our reconciliation. May the sins we bring before Almighty God through thee, become pardonable through thee; may what we ask for with sure confidence, through thee be granted. Take our offering, grant us our requests, obtain pardon for what we fear, for thou art the sole hope of sinners. Through thee we hope for the remission of our sins, and in thee, O blessed Lady, is our hope of reward. Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.

What is the nature of an existence that is experienced entirely outside of time itself? Can a single decision that is made in a state of timelessness simultaneously affect EVERY point in time and space? Groundbreaking reconciliation of creationism with natural science.

Your debate with redeemed zoomer really highlights how prots butcher the church fathers to try and fit their theology. They think they can just pick and choose and mischaractize what the saints say to fit their propaganda while ignoring all the other teachings.

What a clown

Historical attestation for me, not for thee! I get praise, you get scorn! I get confirmation bias, you get skepticism! And he gets away with all of it. What a despicable shame.

Why is “historical witness” in quotations marks? Do you not agree that (at least in Catholicism), unconditional election/predestination ante praevisa merita is “extremely common” as he says? I hope you’re not disagreeing with that.

His erreneous interpretation of these "predestination" verses (including by Augustine and Thomas Aquinas) are thoroughly debunked here:

Predestination never made sense, there’s no good way of putting it. Dig deep enough and they have to admit the Calvinist God is evil.

I noticed, he switched the “Feefees” gear right at the beginning of him Starting to define/describe Pre-destination. He dove into that nice, compassionate tone exactly like libtards,lefties do when they’re about to explain away the most absurd, tarded &nonsensical concepts..

It's sad and delusional. Plenty of sorrow and delusion out there. "Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, We see; therefore your sin remains." "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am first." or "By my fault, by my fault, by my most grievous fault."

That hack Ortlund, he appeals to St Augustine who believed in purgatory and intercession of Saints, and St Aquinas who wrote the doctrine of the Eucharist that the Catholic Church follows. Why doesnt he listen to them if he uses a twisted version of their predertermination