This video captures exactly why our shared reality is breaking. Andrew hesitates because he knows he lacks context, Nick insists that hesitation itself is a weakness and that any gut reaction should be defended on sight. Thie exchange explains a lot about the post-fact world we are stuck in.... Claims get loyalty before they get scrutiny, confidence substitutes for understanding, and humility gets framed as fear. When people are trained to lock in early and fight forever, learning becomes some sort of betrayal. The result is simply a noise that sounds like certainty and a public square where nobody backs off long enough to find out if they were wrong.show more

He keeps saying 89% of Somalians are doing fraud What he means to say is of the people arrested and charged with crimes of those people 89% of those criminals were Somali He’s so dumb he thinks because a group of people were arrested and of all those people 89% were Somalian. He then thinks that 89% of all Somalians in the whole world are committing fraud. It’s actually insane to listen to him try to defend his position without knowing how numbers work If 10 people are arrested for fraud and 9 of them are Somalian that means 90% of those arrested -are Somalian It does not mean that 90% of Somalians on earth are committing fraud Nick’s IQ is less than 70

I don’t think that’s quite right. If you had asked this guy what pit bulls are known for, or what bees are known for, I think he would have been able to answer very quickly and very succinctly. And I think he also knows what Somalians are known for. But the reason he didn’t answer the question is because it’s politically incorrect. Even though we know that bees do not only* sting people, and we understand that many pit bulls do not bite people, we also know that bees and pit bulls are known FOR certain things. It seems to me the only time we act like we don’t know and play dumb is when it’s a matter of political correctness. Also, there’s a difference between **knowing what something is known for** and **agreeing that what it’s known for is right.** It doesn’t follow that just because Somalians are known for piracy, that that’s a justified presumption. But this guy is so afraid to even talk about the stereotype that he can’t even get into the real question, which is whether the stereotype is justified.

Have you seen Andrew Callaghan's other stuff? Many people are definitely afraid of saying the "politically incorrect" thing but he certainly isn't one of them. In fact, he literally says it. Multiple times. But the reason for the caveat is that he knows this is the extent of Nick's knowledge. He knows he will take this and run with it as if it gives credence to his points. The point is: yeah, Captain Phillips, but this is pretty much all I know and obviously that's not enough information to actually form an opinion about a group of people especially considering it's literally just a Hollywood movie.

I can admit the Swiss are known for watches and also know that doesn’t mean that all Swiss people make watches, in fact it might be the case none of them do. Do you really think he doesn’t know what Somalis are known for and he’s that ignorant?

Andrew is literally the one that says what they're known for first. He brings up Captain Phillips. Not Nick.

He says “captain phillips” not piracy, and that’s only after being probed for an answer because he’s stalling to answer the question. Why do you think he didn’t just say “piracy?”

Because that wasn't what was at the top of his mind? Nick says "You already said it" referring to Andrew's "Captain Phillips" comment (which he said immediately), implying that it is synonymous with pirates. I don't think your case is very strong here. I'm simply suggesting we not ruthlessly defend our gut to the detriment of our own intellectual development.

At no point did he admit they’re known for piracy, he says they’re known for a role in a movie. You’re confusing defending your gut with being honest about your gut. I can honesty report my gut reaction to something (unlike this dude who refused to) that doesn’t mean I am defending what my gut says. This is not the same thing. That’s my point. This guy should just be honest about how Somalis are perceived and if he disagrees with the perception make a case, instead of just playing dumb.

Have you seen Captain Phillips? It's literally a movie about Somali pirates. He was upfront, honest, and very clearly not playing dumb. Are we watching the same video?

By this logic people who live in Transylvania are vampires.

He’s obsessed with Somalis because he’s managed to enrich himself by making claims about daycares taking government money and having no kids enrolled. That is inaccurate and yet he continues to spread this as a fact even though state regulators have confirmed the daycare have children enrolled and two of the ones featured in his video weren’t even running as a daycare anymore. To date, no fraud has been confirmed & he’s failed to update his audience on these findings or correct any of his mistakes whilst opening up these businesses to mass harassment and abuse.

1) this kid's family literally stole millions of dollars from gyms and health spas and had to declare bankruptcy when they couldn't pay them back. 2) Andrew brought up Mormon bigamy and he just instantly dismissed it as a 'stereotype' after saying Muslims had multiple wives.

The shared reality breaking is because of intentional manipulation of events when broadcasted. In this video Nick lays out how the interview released by the guy he is talking to was edited to change the message and the outcome of the discussions

Andrew also predictably does what many do in these modern "debates": parroting the question with the opponent's group inserted ("Well what are AMERICANS known for?"). Regardless, "P is true because I assert it with confidence" and "P is false because its believers are hypocrites and/or bigots" are both logical fallacies.

I don't think he's suggesting that "P is false." I think it's pretty clear he's asserting that he just simply does not have enough information to give a substantive opinion. And the point of highlighting the American stereotype is to illustrate the shallowness of stereotypes as an attempt to justify his reluctance to entirely rely on one.

Thank you for clarifying.

Andrew demonstrates humility and admits that he doesn't know enough to hold a strong opinion. Nick demonstrates ignorance and an unwillingness to use critical thought. If we can't agree that Andrew is the better model of behavior, then we are doomed.

Andrew doesn’t seem very hesitant with his victims

Nope. He's proving the simple poing of people decieving themselves of a basic known norm because they are afraid to simply give their opinion, and that fear is driven by leftist social agendas. Stereotype are stereotypes for a reason. Somalians are known for piracy. This is a basic norm. There is nothing wrong with saying so. It's not the same as saying all Somalians are pirates, but Andrew's higher reasoning has been hijacked by fear and so he no longer knows the difference. To him the stereotype is equal to racism. It's not, and he is literally retarded in this moment because of this fear he has adopted.

“Even when you know you’re ignorant on a topic, be confident”. That tracks

I can't believe an ACTUAL RETARD is MAGA's new posterboy lol

When I traveled to Europe 15 years ago, America was known for Jerry Springer and Baywatch.

what was cut out: What are Mormons known for ? polygamy all of them should be arrested for polygamy until they prove they aren't polygamous

Hadn't seen the whole exchange before now. My God, Shirley is a dumb fuck.

They are really trying to push ignorance as much possible 🤡 so we must judge all somalis based off Captain Phillips. Jesus Christ that guy's fucking retarded

@pangram ai?

Shirley literally couldn't say or define "benevolent" during the same conversation.

Nick is how America really is. Yt ppl have always made up stereotypes for black ppl without knowing them for decades. That’s yt privilege.

Conservatives think the Dunning-Kruger effect is a desirable trait.

Nick seems to genuinely not understand that his perception of Somalis are based on his own environment.

This is true but what’s also happening here is Andrew is rejecting statistics and stereotype for a lack of an anecdotal experience in a Somali restaurant.

If Nick understood that “what we know them for” is a useless and misleading metric when 99% of our knowledge comes from tv and “news,” they could’ve met halfway. But he won’t, ever. Americans are known for being fat and stupid. But with like a trillion times more evidence.

great post

The fact that Andrew is willing to admit he’s not that smart automatically makes him smarter than Nick

I think the most illuminating quote here is "Why do you question your thought?" from Nick. That lack of curiosity and humility that is the foundation of critical thinking, the ability to ask yourself "why do I think this, do I have solid basis for it" is the whole problem.

Is this before or after the guy couldn’t pronounce benevolent

Is anyone going to address the fact that they're arguing over the accuracy of an ethnic stereotype

bro has no concept of internal biases and stereotypes

"Claims get loyalty before they get scrutiny, confidence substitutes for understanding, and humility gets framed as fear." You nailed it.

I live in the Minneapolis area. Years ago I was a staff member in the high school group at church, in a wealthy white suburb but also with a high concentration of Somalis. The church kids said the Somalis at school caused a lot of problems for their numbers, as they do generally.

Correct Ask any maga "Has Trump ever done anything wrong?" every time - "Uhhhhh, no" And they wonder how we know they are in a cult It's beyond absurd

Sounds like he doesn't want to upset his fans.

It's because Andrew understands that a Hollywood depiction doesn't represent an entire population, you fucking retard. Most people know nothing about Somalia outside of its reference in that movie