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We can just decide that our world should be different. That modern JavaScript can be made with #nobuild. That SaaS services can move out of the cloud. That Apple is not the end of history.

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Addy Osmani's profile picture
Addy Osmani6 months ago

Modern JavaScript can totally be shipped #nobuild. When I was in Chrome, we experimented with how feasible this was at scale. You can load around 50-100 smaller scripts/chunks before the cost of IPC benefits from using a bundler/tooling. But you can go pretty far.

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DHH6 months ago

Yes! HEY is all #nobuild. That's a full-on email client with tens of thousands of customers. Fizzy is all #nobuild. Writebook. Campfire. Everything we now make. Love it. Import maps gave us the ticket.

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Addy Osmani6 months ago

Fantastic seeing apps at scale successful with #nobuild and so happy import maps enabled it!

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Liljan DK6 months ago

Someone please clue me in, what is #nobuild?

DHH's profile picture
DHH6 months ago

Sending JavaScript and CSS straight to the browser without preprocessing, transpiling, or bundling.

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Liljan DK6 months ago

Tak. ☺️

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Tommy Faldt Pedersen6 months ago

Agree! I am exploring dApps development using the Verus Protocol an open source blockchain. Using VerusID it is possible to store, distribute and resell your code and assets. As an example i have made a HTML5 space shooter all onchain with #nobuild 🙌

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Drizzle ORM6 months ago

Can’t wait for DHH to try drizzle

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Frank Joppe6 months ago

I had a dream for decades: make the console great again. Most sysadmins do not really require fluffy React pages with managed side effects and complex to build. Something that simplifies ncurses, like Terminal.GUI for Elmish. One day it could be more interesting to target putty rather than a browser.

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John Finlay6 months ago

20+ years ago we put Linux on old PCs and made them firewalls/routers/mail servers/web servers for small businesses. One small machine that ran everything.

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Enkeli6 months ago

i'm down, let's free javascript from react

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🧭6 months ago

did nobuild on a side project last year . way less painful than expected

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Brian Blakely6 months ago

Agree, with the caveat that modern JavaScript is not modern _enough_ until this passes and is shipped:

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moreward (moreboxed.com)6 months ago

Lol is this an unc Bob impersonation :D

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Rafael Santos6 months ago

I've decided my rails app can work offline with no js build, using hotwire and I am getting near prod release.

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Sylwester Mielniczuk 🔮💎6 months ago

You need to fight industry-scale brainwashing machines pushing their solutions and corrupting the minds of people who think they are clever because they build weird scaffolding and write everything in fragmented, granular code, as if that proves they are seven-figure engineers.

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Json Fitzface 🇺🇸🇪🇸6 months ago

I've been on a self-hosting binge lately. You can run everything on docker these days, so it's easier than it's every been.

max based's profile picture
max based6 months ago

definitely looking to move @pawrlink to nobuild and decide a better / best infra

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Paulo Vilarinho6 months ago

People are normally too afraid of this decisions because they take time and effort. Every thing in life that is worth it takes time and effort, might as well focus on the things that we want to do than follow the norm we don’t agree

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Steve Derico6 months ago

fight the merchants of complexity

Daniel Benisti's profile picture
Daniel Benisti6 months ago

But you know what. most of us dont have the privilige to make this decision. it's being decided for us and we have to deal with that

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ᑯƌǨ6 months ago

He isn't wrong at all but people don't like change and most are lazy.

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Tommy Falkowski6 months ago

That we don't want to be locked into walled gardens. That we refuse to use shitty software!

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Commodious6 months ago

Leave the cloud, it's better down here.

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Datastar Cult Leader6 months ago

It's not that we can't build better tooling; it's the fact that popularity matters more than results nowadays. For example, Datastar is faster/smaller/simpler and can do out of the box provably orders of magnitude less IO than any SPA or turbo/stimulus apps. Hype > results atm

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StemFox IO6 months ago

I love this. I remember when I started college (2003). I first had a PC, but found setting up the dev environment unpleasant. Then I got a mac and loved how easy it was.

Michael Day's profile picture
Michael Day6 months ago

Yes, let's do this.

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JT | writeoffs.ai6 months ago

cloud-out is the take that ages best imo. infra eating into saas margin is real and most teams just treat it as a tax they can't avoid. you been calling this since basecamp left

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Cody McLain6 months ago

the hardest part is convincing people that "industry standard" isnt the same as "only option". most devs ive talked to genuinely believe cloud is just how things work now

Zta's profile picture
Zta6 months ago

Nice, allow me to follow up on that: I’ve decided to create what may be the easiest solution for self-hosting Docker containers, from homelabs to enterprise environments. If you prefer simplicity over unnecessary complexity, give Lightwhale a try:

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digitaledacia6 months ago

I’ve been doing this for years and ppl called me crazy 🤪 🤣

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Akshay Bapat6 months ago

been running @omarchylinux on my dell xps 17 9720 and it is fucking pristine, on windows fans sounded like a jet engine grinding to death and battery died in under 2 hours, today i ran linux unplugged for 6 hours straight and did not hear a damn thing, i love it

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Linux-Howto.org6 months ago

Yeah and with AI it is now easier then ever to do exactly that! I'm on the same boat.

Zynk's profile picture
Zynk6 months ago

There's just one problem. Inertia of madness, it's showing no signs of slowing down. Hardware gets faster, yet software bogs it down faster than it gets faster.

B. Northern's profile picture
B. Northern6 months ago

the web got weird when “view source” stopped feeling like an invitation and started feeling like archaeology

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hazle116 months ago

htmx + streaming is underrated. js bundle complexity becomes its own reliability problem at scale. for most apps, SPAs oversold the complexity. server-driven UI with great UX is achievable — latency is the real constraint, not the paradigm

Januario's profile picture
Januario6 months ago

The internet needed you a lot more than I thought. Thanks for being around 🙏🏻

Christopher's profile picture
Christopher6 months ago

great vid but is your head always this big

sovrin citizen's profile picture
sovrin citizen6 months ago

how about a world with modern look and feel of SPA? with zero client side js framework.. #htmx #streaming #sovrin

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