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We can just decide that our world should be different. That modern JavaScript can be made with #nobuild. That SaaS services can move out of the cloud. That Apple is not the end of history.

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Addy Osmani 的头像
Addy Osmani6 个月前

Modern JavaScript can totally be shipped #nobuild. When I was in Chrome, we experimented with how feasible this was at scale. You can load around 50-100 smaller scripts/chunks before the cost of IPC benefits from using a bundler/tooling. But you can go pretty far.

DHH 的头像
DHH6 个月前

Yes! HEY is all #nobuild. That's a full-on email client with tens of thousands of customers. Fizzy is all #nobuild. Writebook. Campfire. Everything we now make. Love it. Import maps gave us the ticket.

Addy Osmani 的头像
Addy Osmani6 个月前

Fantastic seeing apps at scale successful with #nobuild and so happy import maps enabled it!

Liljan DK 的头像
Liljan DK6 个月前

Someone please clue me in, what is #nobuild?

DHH 的头像
DHH6 个月前

Sending JavaScript and CSS straight to the browser without preprocessing, transpiling, or bundling.

Liljan DK 的头像
Liljan DK6 个月前

Tak. ☺️

Tommy Faldt Pedersen 的头像
Tommy Faldt Pedersen6 个月前

Agree! I am exploring dApps development using the Verus Protocol an open source blockchain. Using VerusID it is possible to store, distribute and resell your code and assets. As an example i have made a HTML5 space shooter all onchain with #nobuild 🙌

Drizzle ORM 的头像
Drizzle ORM6 个月前

Can’t wait for DHH to try drizzle

Frank Joppe 的头像
Frank Joppe6 个月前

I had a dream for decades: make the console great again. Most sysadmins do not really require fluffy React pages with managed side effects and complex to build. Something that simplifies ncurses, like Terminal.GUI for Elmish. One day it could be more interesting to target putty rather than a browser.

John Finlay 的头像
John Finlay6 个月前

20+ years ago we put Linux on old PCs and made them firewalls/routers/mail servers/web servers for small businesses. One small machine that ran everything.

Enkeli 的头像
Enkeli6 个月前

i'm down, let's free javascript from react

🧭 的头像
🧭6 个月前

did nobuild on a side project last year . way less painful than expected

Brian Blakely 的头像
Brian Blakely6 个月前

Agree, with the caveat that modern JavaScript is not modern _enough_ until this passes and is shipped:

moreward (moreboxed.com) 的头像
moreward (moreboxed.com)6 个月前

Lol is this an unc Bob impersonation :D

Rafael Santos 的头像
Rafael Santos6 个月前

I've decided my rails app can work offline with no js build, using hotwire and I am getting near prod release.

Sylwester Mielniczuk 🔮💎 的头像
Sylwester Mielniczuk 🔮💎6 个月前

You need to fight industry-scale brainwashing machines pushing their solutions and corrupting the minds of people who think they are clever because they build weird scaffolding and write everything in fragmented, granular code, as if that proves they are seven-figure engineers.

Json Fitzface 🇺🇸🇪🇸 的头像
Json Fitzface 🇺🇸🇪🇸6 个月前

I've been on a self-hosting binge lately. You can run everything on docker these days, so it's easier than it's every been.

max based 的头像
max based6 个月前

definitely looking to move @pawrlink to nobuild and decide a better / best infra

Paulo Vilarinho 的头像
Paulo Vilarinho6 个月前

People are normally too afraid of this decisions because they take time and effort. Every thing in life that is worth it takes time and effort, might as well focus on the things that we want to do than follow the norm we don’t agree

Steve Derico 的头像
Steve Derico6 个月前

fight the merchants of complexity

Daniel Benisti 的头像
Daniel Benisti6 个月前

But you know what. most of us dont have the privilige to make this decision. it's being decided for us and we have to deal with that

ᑯƌǨ 的头像
ᑯƌǨ6 个月前

He isn't wrong at all but people don't like change and most are lazy.

Tommy Falkowski 的头像
Tommy Falkowski6 个月前

That we don't want to be locked into walled gardens. That we refuse to use shitty software!

Commodious 的头像
Commodious6 个月前

Leave the cloud, it's better down here.

Datastar Cult Leader 的头像
Datastar Cult Leader6 个月前

It's not that we can't build better tooling; it's the fact that popularity matters more than results nowadays. For example, Datastar is faster/smaller/simpler and can do out of the box provably orders of magnitude less IO than any SPA or turbo/stimulus apps. Hype > results atm

StemFox IO 的头像
StemFox IO6 个月前

I love this. I remember when I started college (2003). I first had a PC, but found setting up the dev environment unpleasant. Then I got a mac and loved how easy it was.

Michael Day 的头像
Michael Day6 个月前

Yes, let's do this.

JT | writeoffs.ai 的头像
JT | writeoffs.ai6 个月前

cloud-out is the take that ages best imo. infra eating into saas margin is real and most teams just treat it as a tax they can't avoid. you been calling this since basecamp left

Cody McLain 的头像
Cody McLain6 个月前

the hardest part is convincing people that "industry standard" isnt the same as "only option". most devs ive talked to genuinely believe cloud is just how things work now

Zta 的头像
Zta6 个月前

Nice, allow me to follow up on that: I’ve decided to create what may be the easiest solution for self-hosting Docker containers, from homelabs to enterprise environments. If you prefer simplicity over unnecessary complexity, give Lightwhale a try:

digitaledacia 的头像
digitaledacia6 个月前

I’ve been doing this for years and ppl called me crazy 🤪 🤣

Akshay Bapat 的头像
Akshay Bapat6 个月前

been running @omarchylinux on my dell xps 17 9720 and it is fucking pristine, on windows fans sounded like a jet engine grinding to death and battery died in under 2 hours, today i ran linux unplugged for 6 hours straight and did not hear a damn thing, i love it

Linux-Howto.org 的头像
Linux-Howto.org6 个月前

Yeah and with AI it is now easier then ever to do exactly that! I'm on the same boat.

Zynk 的头像
Zynk6 个月前

There's just one problem. Inertia of madness, it's showing no signs of slowing down. Hardware gets faster, yet software bogs it down faster than it gets faster.

B. Northern 的头像
B. Northern6 个月前

the web got weird when “view source” stopped feeling like an invitation and started feeling like archaeology

hazle11 的头像
hazle116 个月前

htmx + streaming is underrated. js bundle complexity becomes its own reliability problem at scale. for most apps, SPAs oversold the complexity. server-driven UI with great UX is achievable — latency is the real constraint, not the paradigm

Januario 的头像
Januario6 个月前

The internet needed you a lot more than I thought. Thanks for being around 🙏🏻

Christopher 的头像
Christopher6 个月前

great vid but is your head always this big

sovrin citizen 的头像
sovrin citizen6 个月前

how about a world with modern look and feel of SPA? with zero client side js framework.. #htmx #streaming #sovrin

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