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What if AI learned physics the way Newton did – by experiencing it? We built Sim2Reason: train LLMs inside virtual worlds governed by real physics laws, zero human annotation. Result: +5–10% improvement on International Physics Olympiad, zero-shot. 🧵

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Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

The core bottleneck: human-annotated QA data is scarce and narrow. Less than 2% of DeepSeek-R1's 800K training pairs touch STEM. We sidestep this entirely — physics simulators already encode the laws of nature. So we just... learn from them directly.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

The pipeline: procedurally generate random scenes in MuJoCo, simulate their dynamics, auto-generate verified QA pairs — numeric, reverse, and symbolic. Then RL-train the LLM on this synthetic data. No human labeling anywhere in the loop.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

Key design choice: a domain-specific language (DSL) that isolates physically meaningful axes of randomization. Changing a pulley string length doesn't change the reasoning — changing a block's mass does. The DSL knows the difference.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

The DSL composes scenes from reusable entities and bodies with explicit connection points — like Lego for physics simulations. This lets us generate millions of unique, physically grounded scenes without a human in the loop.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

The gains are consistent across model scales. Qwen3-30B: +4.4% on IPhO. Qwen2.5-3B: +7.5%. Qwen2.5-32B: +5.4%. All zero-shot — the model never saw a real physics Olympiad problem during training. Further It generalizes beyond IPhO. JEEBench: +17.9%. PHYSICS: +3.67 %. OlympiadBench: +3.12%. MATH 500: +4.4%. AIME 2025: +1.7%.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

Despite using only simulator-generated synthetic data, Sim2Reason (40.0% IPhO) outperforms models trained on thousands of curated real-world physics QA pairs — including Prime P1 (38.6%), DAPO-32B (24.7%), and LIMO-32B (25.5%).

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

An interesting training signal: response length grows alongside accuracy during RL post-training. The model isn't just getting more right — it's learning to reason more carefully, step by step.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

A concrete example of what RL training changes. IPhO 2012 Q1: find the envelope of all projectile trajectories. Baseline model plugs in θ=45° as the boundary condition — gets z₀ right by accident but k wrong by a factor of 2. RL model first identifies what physically defines the boundary: maximum height (θ=90°) to pin z₀, maximum range (θ=45°) to solve for k. Both models know Newton's laws. But only the RL model reasons about the physical meaning of the equations.

Mihir Prabhudesai 的头像
Mihir Prabhudesai5 个月前

Simulators have encoded the laws of physics for decades. Sim2Reason asks: what if they're also the best physics teachers we have? Project Webpage: Paper: Code: Co-Led with @satpathyaryan45 and the team @CMU_Robotics @mldcmu and @LambdaAPI .

Sonny George 的头像
Sonny George5 个月前

Neat! But why mujoco simulation if the problems theoretically map to Wolphram-Alpha-solvable equations? You aren't learning from the "simulation" so much as you are learning from the time-forward solutions to the equations that drive the simulation, right?

Marvin Gabler 的头像
Marvin Gabler5 个月前

Nice work! Even better is to train them on actual observations. Sim environments are always approximations and therefore not actual physics

Avi Solanki 的头像
Avi Solanki5 个月前

Can this be extended to other things? Simulators / Environments → Synthetic data → RL → Reasoning models For example Chemistry (molecular sims) Robotics Economics (maybe agent-based sims)

Ellis Brown 的头像
Ellis Brown5 个月前

Cool work (as always) @mihirp98 🔥

Puzzle Paws 的头像
Puzzle Paws5 个月前

Newton watched apples fall. Your LLM watches simulated physics. Same method, different substrate. This is how reasoning scales.

Aaryaman Sharma 的头像
Aaryaman Sharma5 个月前

Nice

Alexey Moiseenkov 的头像
Alexey Moiseenkov5 个月前

@Luckyballa Very cool!

Tim Reha 的头像
Tim Reha5 个月前

Great job!

Sam 的头像
Sam5 个月前

Yoooooo

Imama 的头像
Imama5 个月前

That’s actually a neat shift less “textbook physics” and more “learn by breaking the world in sim” 😄 Makes sense you’d get gains if the model internalizes dynamics instead of memorizing patterns. Sim-to-reason feel like RL for intuition rather than reward hacking. Cool..

Elwalid 的头像
Elwalid5 个月前

Cool

Allen 的头像
Allen5 个月前

most people miss this feels like this only works in theory, how does it handle complex real world scenarios

Amil Dravid 的头像
Amil Dravid5 个月前

@shiryginosar Really cool, Mihir. Congrats!

Saketh Saketh 的头像
Saketh Saketh5 个月前

Very interesting work 😀

Sean Howell 的头像
Sean Howell5 个月前

Very interesting work!!

Gal Zajc 的头像
Gal Zajc5 个月前

great work!

Yusuf Solomon 的头像
Yusuf Solomon5 个月前

Wonderful stuff

Nabil Ess 的头像
Nabil Ess5 个月前

Physics informed machine learning is challenging

Nickita Khylkouski 的头像
Nickita Khylkouski5 个月前

"experiencing it" is doing a lot of work for 25% on one subsection

Xinghong (Shin) Fu 的头像
Xinghong (Shin) Fu5 个月前

cool

Nahid Alam 的头像
Nahid Alam5 个月前

super cool

AiDevCraft 的头像
AiDevCraft5 个月前

Physics sims as auto-labelers is the real unlock — they're free-to-query verifiers, which is exactly why RL with verifiable rewards dominated math and code first, and now extends to anything expressible in MuJoCo. The +17.9% transfer to JEEBench suggests the model is internalizing physical abstractions rather than memorizing simulator-flavored templates.

Mustafa Yavuz Coşkun 的头像
Mustafa Yavuz Coşkun5 个月前

Training AI on human knowledge has helped a lot, but self-discovering AI could open new horizons. Your work presents valuable insight on this area.

Tim Reha 的头像
Tim Reha5 个月前

Are you releasing this as open source?

sachit gaudi 的头像
sachit gaudi5 个月前

@gautamsree_

DanielAIwork 的头像
DanielAIwork5 个月前

stop pretending you need physics olympiads to print money. just ship the tool and let the market decide if it works or not

Ashutosh Tiwari 的头像
Ashutosh Tiwari5 个月前

@Manish_GenAI Hugue long term potential

Devesh Vyas 的头像
Devesh Vyas5 个月前

@Scobleizer What sort of constraints it could model apart from gravity, motion, collision, preservation of energy & momentum. What about thermodynamics and fluid mechanics deffo doable.

Tetas de Ilúvatar 的头像
Tetas de Ilúvatar5 个月前

Why would you use an LLM and not a classical RL architecture?

Yashwardhan Chaudhuri 的头像
Yashwardhan Chaudhuri5 个月前

Hey @mihirp98 ! Terrific work. Are you continuing research in this field? I am making and autonomous lab @ for your faster scoping and hypothesis testing. Can provide early access if interested!

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شرودینگر5 个月前

What is the input of the model? What type of constraints are used to follow the physical reality? (mass, momentum, energy, state?)

Elias Isaac Lattouf 的头像
Elias Isaac Lattouf5 个月前

Hmm don’t you still need to define gravity and stuff like that?

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Dr. Be5 个月前

@XiXiDu @BrianRoemmele this seems up your alley

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