Another one from the archives. Here when they talk about “it” they are talking about male violence. Peter Boghossian compares the risk to women of male violence to that of marauding elephants. The entire women’s movement, since early temperance and prostitution abolition campaigns, have been centred on getting the... state to protect women from male violence and to empower women to remove themselves and their children from male violence. This was at the centre also of equal pay campaigns and sexual harassment legislation. To suggest to a feminist that she is not taking steps to protect herself from male violence is bizarre. This, I pointed out at the time is extremely individualistic (Boghossian then called me a collectivist). Feminism is about establishing a societal and legal system where women don’t have to rely on familial males to protect themselves from male violence (patriarchy). Patriarchy is a system heavily dependent on benevolence. If your familial males are good, life can be ok, if your familial males are evil, life is hell. We don’t have any infrastructure to protect Peter from marauding elephants because marauding elephants are not a daily risk to him and male violence is a daily risk to women. You have to ask what interest Peter has in taking this stance? Kara Danskyshow more

This clip makes me livid. A woman I know was followed home by a man, approached and had unwanted sexual advances from that man while walking home after dark alone. In the last month. And here is a man wittering on about what steps women have or haven’t taken to defend themselves. I’m 48. The number of times I’ve been followed and had sexual harassment from a random stranger who could physically overpower me? Zero. None. It has not happened. When my friend told me about this, other women shared their experiences and gave advice. It’s happened to all of them. If there were marauding elephants risking Peter’s wellbeing - those elephants would be rounded up and shot. Including ones that might be safe. Is Peter wise to use such an analogy?

And the low IQ dopey men who come to defend him, they are his audience. He’s very low brow focussed for someone with academic credentials. Leave it to the Tates brother, you’re embarrassing yourself.

The doubling down and look at the comment, so the point taken is that male violence is no material risk to women, it’s just female hysterics. This is a man who is taken seriously by the “centrists”.

My jaw drops now as it did the first time I watched this. Boghossian doesn’t seem to see that women are human and should be able to live (in a society built for humans) without being in constant danger from male violence.

The three clowns who wrote that terrible book all argue, not that feminism has gone wrong, but that women and girls are not structurally vulnerable enough to require special protections in civil rights legislation.

Sorry, can’t take him seriously. I find some of his arguments disingenuous. I think he views himself as such a big deal that he is unable to step outside of his individualistic and patriarchally benevolent viewpoint. His interview with Deborah So had me hoisting various red flags as well.

I didn’t see it. But saying that the risk of male violence is a matter of female hysterics is quite the position for someone who calls himself a moderate and a liberal. We could just give him crime and prison statistics.

I have been the subject of male violence a few times in my life. Certainly NOT histrionic. This is the experience of majority of women. I have also had a few boyfriends who punched holes in the wall when enraged so I cannot believe it is an uncommon experience for most women. He has elitist luxury beliefs.

We could ask him if he’d like a dollar for every woman who was the victim of male violence or a dollar for men who are the victims of a type of animal bigger and stronger than them. It’s an apt analogy in a way because men rarely encounter a type of animal that is bigger and stronger than them and we live with them every day.

@OmegaFiveOG @DeepakNambisan But why not compare the experience that men have had regarding male violence and female violence to the experiences that women have had regarding male violence and female violence?

@OmegaFiveOG @DeepakNambisan Well that would be uncomfortable. We’d have to say”Peter, what if you were in prison with men who were younger, fitter and bigger than you? What steps would you take to protect yourself against men who are physically superior to you in every way?”

@OmegaFiveOG @DeepakNambisan But you could also just compare the experiences of men and women facing male and female violence

@OmegaFiveOG @DeepakNambisan But the point is that women are at a power disadvantage, that’s why he said an elephant, because elephants are bigger and stronger than men. Surely you are not this stupid?

he refuses to see all the mental calculations women make that men never have to: should i wear that dress, does the parking garage have cameras, don’t let the bartender open my beer, can’t run past that creep’s house. if we choose wrong, the consequences can be devastating.

I’ve watched him interview a few different people and thought okay he’s just a provocateur but then he’ll say something so absurd that I can’t help but think only someone who actually thinks like this would say this out loud.

People who argue against protections for women and girls from men can only be predators and I block predators.

Women live their whole lives looking over their shoulders to see where the danger is coming from. Our whole lives are filled with taking steps to avoid getting hurt.

@leakylike He’s never felt the threat. He’s a bloke - they just don’t get it and they won’t listen to women long enough to really hear it. That’s why they’re so afraid of Islamic invasion - the threat is directly at them too. Plus, the singular of phenomena is phenomenon - drives me nuts.

He lost me after his smirking, dissmisive & downright fucking rude interview he did with KJK. I have a sneaking suspicion he doesn't like 'uppity' women. Or indeed, just women.

People who don’t get it are either pretending not to get it or they are in denial.

"What KIND of self defense?"

How is the drive to remove men from the family going so far?

I have a husband of 33 years but men remove themselves from families because they are just not as accountable as women apparently

@AronVisage6804 Where do you keep his penis?

@AronVisage6804 Strong men can be married to intelligent women, it’s only weak men and predators who are threatened by safeguarding

@AronVisage6804 Is it in the basement?

@AronVisage6804 The quality of the men that defend this level of intellectual says everything. Low quality, unintelligent and predatory

We constantly talk about what women and girls should/could do, shouldn't wear/say/go. We rarely talk about what men should/could do.

This whole interview is fascinating, especially at the end. Dansky is tiny. He's sitting opposite her so he knows how small she is. He's just nuts here. Liberal men, what are they on?🙄

This guy hates women+ likes to view male violence against them as their own fault.Any old excuse to watch or partake in the abuse women + then absolve themselves of any blame. As if taking preventative steps makes any difference anyway.🙄Men are 10 times stronger than we are.

@Women___Exist Ol’ Peter Bogstain, the man so named for the effects of his mouth are like a shart mark on trousers. 👍

He’s lucky smugness and casual ignorance aren’t attractive to the wrong kind of men. He doesn’t look very sturdy. There is no enhancement that gives women eyes in the back of the head, or an operational sixth sense. The bad men don’t challenge in duel or demand to meet on a field of honor face to face. They are definitionally the lowest of males, opportunistic, damaged. Most women take precautions, and the older we are and more understanding of human nature, the more we take. A weapon? Sure. Alarm system, cameras, dog too, 3 years of martial arts, yep. I feel safer. Safe? We’ve all lost count of the close calls, the scares, just the every day aggravations of the unwanted attention of a persistent creep who we have to situationally manage. He lives in a cheap, unearned cloud of assurance. I’d like that.

Who enforces the legal & societal system feminism brought us to protect women from male violence? Males? So you trades some males to protrct you for other males to protect you...from males? Why not choose good men to marry in the first place instead of killers and drug dealers?

Males enforced the system of subjugation, females insisted on a representative system. You are an idiot

Representative government when? All those female Founding Fathers in 1776? There weten't any. You are just trading one crop of males to protect women for another crop of males equally capable of corruption and evil.

We weren’t allowed to go to university you dickhead. We weren’t allowed to have a bank account. What a complete fuckwit.

WTAF is going on there neuroligically, do you think? I didn't realise this guy was a flippant jackass of a misogynist. Doesn't he bill himself as one of those "smartest guy in the room" types?

The fact is women are 1/5 a chance of having a poor experience with men than men. Men who are five times more likely of having violence enacted on them are telling you about how to avoid violence. Male on female violence is such a small portion of there’s an easy remedy for that

That’s such bullshit Men have a different set of equipment than men to defend themselves And because of their sex organs are at a much higher rate of sexual violence. Just another example of the kind of low quality person the brocaster relies on

@JtPalacio Blocked. Troubling timeline. (He has form, quelle surprise.)

@JtPalacio Peter has a lot of fans that are very obviously domestic abusers and rapists who don’t want women to have protections. He must be so proud.

@JtPalacio The good times just won’t stop rolling or perhaps over women whilst at least the men can be assured that extensive investment in the programme to prevent elephant attacks on males in the UK has led to spectacular results yay etc. etc.

@JtPalacio You can bet if men were uniquely vulnerable to elephants there would be precautions in place

Peter has shown his true colors as a misogynist recently by repeatedly belittling women’s legitimate fears of male violence.

You're a 'collectivist'! How Amurakun of him🙄

He is such a little arrogant turd. Thinking he’s some moral, big brained man, when he can’t even string a coherent sentence together

John Moses Browning solved these issues years ago, both the man and the elephant.

Shut your mouth, woman.

Are you happy?

Boghossian is making an argument about revealed preference, not a claim that women live in a world without male offenders. If you truly believed you were going to be attacked at any moment why would you treat taking personal precautions as optional or faintly insulting?

Tbf to the analogy in countries where marauding elephants are a problem people get help from the state AND they also take steps to prepare for such an event. They don’t go blithely walking around the savannah thinking the state will protect them.

You mean like women enter into a relationship with a narcissistic predator and then when she is financially dependent after falling pregnant she expects a decent society to provide her and her child a safety net from male violence rather than allow the man enslave her and her children into an abusive power dynamic. Cheek of them.

How do women survive, like at all?

Peter is not as smart as he thinks he is. (Hence why he’s a philosopher rather than something useful)

Fat unattractive neurotic woman thinks men want to take that ass. Yet, most would just wish she'd shut the fuck up.

Lol “I took a self defense class” babe you got scammed, buy a gun