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Boris Cherny, Claude Code creator at Anthrpic: "The more general model will always outperform the more specific model. Don't try to use tiny models for stuff. Don't try to fine-tune. Don't try to do any of this stuff. There are some applications, there are some reasons to do this,...

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Dusan Odalovic profil fotoğrafı
Dusan Odalovic3 gün önce

easy to say when the big model is free for you :) my token bill might have a slightly diferent opinion...

Dan C. profil fotoğrafı
Dan C.2 gün önce

It's purely coincidental that Anthropic's entire business model is general purpose models

Sivan profil fotoğrafı
Sivan3 gün önce

That categorically incorrect. The more studies conducted the otherwise is proven - many small models fine tuned on a task outperform by far the huge generalists. But I understand the commercial and hype motivated claims here. That is otherwise misunderstanding how these NNs work

Gaetan Semet profil fotoğrafı
Gaetan Semet3 gün önce

He is right. Do not try to pay 10x less for the same job, please, my bonus depends on users not optimizing their token use. Will be difficult for you, you will need to learn stuff, it is too complex. Just pay.

Roni Rechter profil fotoğrafı
Roni Rechter3 gün önce

Convenient position for the people selling the general model )

David Hrubý profil fotoğrafı
David Hrubý3 gün önce

Lmao selling shovels. God I hate this retard. It's been proven many times that fine tuned models perform much better than frontier on specific tasks

Alex Prompter profil fotoğrafı
Alex Prompter3 gün önce

Very interesting take. I'd be curious to see data on this.

pranjulya profil fotoğrafı
pranjulya3 gün önce

Mostly agree, with one production caveat: scaffolding gains vanish with the next model, but the evals, permissions and logs you built around it carry over. Invest there.

Neethu Mariam Joy profil fotoğrafı
Neethu Mariam Joy3 gün önce

"wait for the next model" assumes the next model helps your use case. For narrow tasks like booking or collections, it often doesn't. And if you're in a regulated industry, you can't just swap it in anyway.

Flix Muller profil fotoğrafı
Flix Muller3 gün önce

Interesting perspective. The idea that model improvements can eventually outweigh complex scaffolding is definitely worth thinking about.

Malou | MMM profil fotoğrafı
Malou | MMM3 gün önce

never fine-tuned anything, just plain claude code the whole way through yaka. has a scaffolding trick you built ever gotten wiped out by a model update like he's describing?

half_cto profil fotoğrafı
half_cto3 gün önce

Lol did you expect hes going to say something else. None of lab voices have ever talked about how they deal with slop or other issues, do you think they have none?

Julius profil fotoğrafı
Julius3 gün önce

easy to say from the lab that sells the general model tho, my Qwen 3.8 27B handles a lot of my daily stuff without a token bill

saphir bleu profil fotoğrafı
saphir bleu3 gün önce

LOL

Alek Dob profil fotoğrafı
Alek Dob3 gün önce

yeah scaffolding wins fade. the general model keeps eating the special cases

Andries van der Leij profil fotoğrafı
Andries van der Leij3 gün önce

Stupid take. Firstly, it depends on the task at hand, the desired quality and the costs. Also: a swiss army knife is never better than a specific tool.

Damien Hughes profil fotoğrafı
Damien Hughes3 gün önce

Unit economics are everything in the real world. Boris is too abstracted from this reality

Vipul Kumar Kewat profil fotoğrafı
Vipul Kumar Kewat3 gün önce

The interesting takeaway is that better general models can make complex scaffolding obsolete surprisingly quickly.

jw profil fotoğrafı
jw3 gün önce

It’s their business model and it makes sense for uncosntrained budgets at Anthropic. On the contrary, a model like Jev opens so many business cases for things that were easily feasible with fable but just too expensive.

Mr. House profil fotoğrafı
Mr. House3 gün önce

Yes, but make your “general” model a specialists in every field you have it learn in its digital data codex. Then you get the hybrid best of both worlds, without having to sacrifice anything in any one area, and you’ll end up with monster Super Intelligence.

Mathew Chan profil fotoğrafı
Mathew Chan2 gün önce

This aged like milk.

Davide Pasca profil fotoğrafı
Davide Pasca2 gün önce

Makes sense. For example, what does "good at coding" mean ? Need general intelligence and knowledge to actually implement things that aren't simple web development tasks. The best programmers aren't just people that learned languages and frameworks.

Mr. LIvermore profil fotoğrafı
Mr. LIvermore2 gün önce

I Bet he would say that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Somi profil fotoğrafı
Somi3 gün önce

waiting for the next model is a tough sell when a customer needs it working this month

Samion Buchas profil fotoğrafı
Samion Buchas2 gün önce

yeah, sure...

aviad rozenhek profil fotoğrafı
aviad rozenhek2 gün önce

speed/price/quality - choose any 2. the bigger models will always be slower than smaller models. and you can squeeze good or even better quality from fine-tuned models ... BUT the real reason to use the latest most general models is about surfing the wave of progress. By the time you've tuned (and spent moeny/time) on tuning some smaller model, newer models emerge that invalidate your work. now you need to tune a bigger faster more capable model again. I personally wont be fine tuning any small models until the avalanche of ever improving models stops... and I don't see it slowing any time soon. so there's that.

GrepMed profil fotoğrafı
GrepMed3 gün önce

(interview 7 months ago)

Shai Machnes profil fotoğrafı
Shai Machnes3 gün önce

Wrong. Because efficiency. The most general solution may be "best", but if you care about cost (= energy usage) and speed, you don't want Astra for zip code digit recognition. An LLM can multiply two numbers with billions of ops, or use one assembly instruction. cf. Jev, etc.

Bruno C profil fotoğrafı
Bruno C3 gün önce

That’s true, unless you have proprietary data, or there are specific traps that any LLM falls into regarding the process you’re asking about

(identity '[:pankaj :λ]) profil fotoğrafı
(identity '[:pankaj :λ])2 gün önce

In the human world, it is completely true, generalists generally outperform experts in every field. MBAs don't create great billion dollar organizations. It is generalists who do.

Prithvi profil fotoğrafı
Prithvi3 gün önce

fine-tuning is now called waiting three months

(identity '[:pankaj :λ]) profil fotoğrafı
(identity '[:pankaj :λ])2 gün önce

That general advice is too. genaral. You can't use a transformer to generate a image that is best done by a diffusion model. You can't generate audio with a LLM because That is served better by a STS or TTS model.

Schopenhauer on Prozac profil fotoğrafı
Schopenhauer on Prozac3 gün önce

Corollary of The Bitter Lesson.

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