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David Fowler ( David Fowler ) went from an intern to a Distinguished engineer at Microsoft. That’s 11 different promotions all at the same company. I interviewed him for everything he learned by going through that process. We discussed: • His promotions to Principal and Distinguished • Concrete examples... show more
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![Jimmy: I had no f*cking idea how to run a company. None. Zero. David: Is this when David Geffen sold Geffen Records [for $550 million]? Jimmy: Yeah. David: Can you tell that story? Jimmy: David Geffen is brilliant. He comes from right near my neighborhood in Brooklyn. He's exactly 10 years older than me. He's five seven. I'm five seven. He's Jewish. I'm Italian. We were buddies. He was great with artists. He signed Joni Mitchell and The Eagles and all this great sh*t. So I felt real comradery with him. I'm producing records. I'm actually in the studio for 20 years making music. I wake up one day and he sold his company for $500 million. I'm from Brooklyn. I want to make a lot of money. I'm not embarrassed by that. I wanted to live like I saw on tv. David: What I love in “The Defiant Ones” …cause everybody feels this way. Especially if you didn't grow up with money. I know exactly what you're talking about. This story comes from when you were an engineer, not a record producer [yet]. You see this producer and he comes in and he's got a leather jacket, a fancy bag, and he's got a beautiful girl. And you’re like: That’s it! Jimmy: Yeah, you bet. That's it. You gotta tell yourself the truth. I'm not Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger. Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder. Marvin Gaye. So I felt the next best way in was producing. That was my way in. So I'm like, well this feels really good. And then I saw Geffen and I said… David: That feels better! Jimmy: Oh sh*t! He's doing the same thing. He's not even in the studio all night. He goes home at six o'clock. I'm working until three o'clock in the morning, So I said I bet I can do that. David: And then you go talk to him and what does he say? Jimmy: He said to me, “You could start a record company. You know how many stupid people there are that have record companies?” So I started a record company.](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2018828640062931012/amplify_video_thumb/2018828235795050496/img/jJRxJj8BXPZl8das.jpg)
![Peter Thiel on the most important lesson he learned building PayPal The early employees of PayPal went on to build incredible companies like Tesla, SpaceX, LinkedIn, YouTube, Palantir, Yelp, Yammer, and more. When asked about the factors that explain these outlier successes, Thiel suggests that it was probably a combination of several different things: an entrepreneurial culture, lots of strong personalities, and the early 2000s was a great time to start a company. But Thiel also says that the overarching lesson you learned working at PayPal—which had a lot of challenges but ended up succeeding—was: “You can build a great company, but it’s hard.” He contrasts this to the lessons you learn at most startups: “If you’re at a startup that fails, you will learn the lesson that it’s impossible to build a great company and that you should try something less ambitious the next time around. If you’re at a startup where things work too easily [such as Microsoft or Google], you learn the lesson that it’s actually easy to build a great company.” He continues: “Hard is somehow better than easy or impossible. If it’s easy, you don’t need to work hard. If it’s impossible, there’s no point in working hard. So easy and impossible converge to not working hard. Hard tells you you have to work hard.” Video source: This Week in Startups @jason (2015)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1979152689838854479/amplify_video_thumb/1979141056072429569/img/e-lTE-HvFMIbSWxR.jpg)
