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ETFs democratized access through the brokerage account. Tokenization democratizes access through the internet. WisdomTree has been building for this moment for years. Jeremy Schwartz and Maredith Hannon (WisdomTree Prime®) join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Franklin Bi. In this episode, they discuss why tokenization is the next ETF: -...

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Coinbase CEO: Tokenization will be great for asset management companies “I think [tokenization] will create more demand for funds and products. I think it’s going to democratize access and reduce a lot of the back office fees and costs to operate that type of business. More broadly, this term ‘tokenization’ is the idea that you have an underlying asset and then you make a digital token that 1:1 represents it. The first case we’ve seen this take off with is stablecoins… that’s the tokenization of the dollar. That took off and is doing great. It’s a huge growth area. We’re now seeing the tokenization of all these other asset classes — this can happen in real estate, private credit, and the funds that BlackRock, Apollo, and these firms put out. I think it’s going to just create more demand for their products essentially.” The world's largest asset managers are already doing this, and they're building on Ethereum: - BlackRock's BUIDL fund: ~$2.4B in tokenized U.S. Treasuries - JPMorgan's MONY: tokenized money market fund, seeded with $100M - Franklin Templeton's BENJI: $680M+ on-chain government money fund - Fidelity's FDIT: tokenized money market fund launched on Ethereum - Ondo Finance: $1.4B+ across tokenized Treasury products - WisdomTree, Hashnote, Superstate, Amundi, SocGen FORGE — all live Tokenized money market funds alone grew from $3B to $9B in a single year. Ethereum hosts ~57% of all tokenized real-world assets by value. Source: Norges Bank (Mar 2026)
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Coinbase CEO: Tokenization will be great for asset management companies “I think [tokenization] will create more demand for funds and products. I think it’s going to democratize access and reduce a lot of the back office fees and costs to operate that type of business. More broadly, this term ‘tokenization’ is the idea that you have an underlying asset and then you make a digital token that 1:1 represents it. The first case we’ve seen this take off with is stablecoins… that’s the tokenization of the dollar. That took off and is doing great. It’s a huge growth area. We’re now seeing the tokenization of all these other asset classes — this can happen in real estate, private credit, and the funds that BlackRock, Apollo, and these firms put out. I think it’s going to just create more demand for their products essentially.” The world's largest asset managers are already doing this, and they're building on Ethereum: - BlackRock's BUIDL fund: ~$2.4B in tokenized U.S. Treasuries - JPMorgan's MONY: tokenized money market fund, seeded with $100M - Franklin Templeton's BENJI: $680M+ on-chain government money fund - Fidelity's FDIT: tokenized money market fund launched on Ethereum - Ondo Finance: $1.4B+ across tokenized Treasury products - WisdomTree, Hashnote, Superstate, Amundi, SocGen FORGE — all live Tokenized money market funds alone grew from $3B to $9B in a single year. Ethereum hosts ~57% of all tokenized real-world assets by value. Source: Norges Bank (Mar 2026)

Etherealize

11,982 views • 4 months ago

Tokenization is no longer a back-office experiment. It’s the front office. Sandy Kaul from Franklin Templeton Digital Assets and Ian De Bode from Ondo Finance join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Franklin Bi. In this episode, they discuss how capital markets are coming onchain: - 100% of Franklin Templeton’s digital asset AUM comes from net new crypto-native customers - Ondo’s tokenized ETFs: permissionless, 24/7, usable as DeFi collateral like stablecoins for stocks - AI agents will need blockchain rails to execute 183 trillion in machine-to-machine transactions - A crypto whale bought $50M of Google stock in a single trade. Education incoming. - The headline for mission accomplished: net new inflows to tokenized products exceed off-chain launches 01:57 Franklin Templeton Tokenizing in 2019 03:37 Proving Blockchain Efficiency to the SEC 04:30 The Transfer Agent Advantage 05:55 How Ondo Tokenizes Stocks and ETFs 08:15 How Ondo’s Tokenization Relate 09:05 Why Permissionless Wrappers Unlock Global Capital Markets 10:48 The Real Reason Crypto Wants 24/7 Trading Access 12:02 Stablecoins vs Web2 Fintech: Why Blockchain Wins 13:05 Real-Time Settlement: The Death of T+2 14:22 Smart Contracts That Program Investor Protections 16:29 24/7 Markets Create More Demand 17:02 Why AI Agents Need Tokenization 18:04 $183 Trillion in AI Agent Transactions by 2030 19:01 Legacy Systems Can't Handle Machine-to-Machine Commerce 20:17 Tokenization: The Bridge to Institutional Crypto Allocations 21:04 Why TradFi Needs Crypto's Innovation Stack 22:02 Permissionless Wrappers: Why KYC Doesn't Scale for Agents 23:37 The Moment Franklin Templeton Decided to Partner with Ondo 25:14 Why Permissionless Tokens Scare Traditional Firms 27:29 100% of Franklin's Digital Assets Come From Crypto Natives 30:01 Opening Net New Distribution Channels, Not Just Products 33:20 Success Metrics: Assets, Thought Partnership, and Experimentation 35:07 Educating Crypto Natives on Diversification and ETFs 36:53 When $200M Bitcoin Holders Discover Traditional Assets 38:14 The Generational Shift: Crypto Natives Meet TradFi
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Tokenization is no longer a back-office experiment. It’s the front office. Sandy Kaul from Franklin Templeton Digital Assets and Ian De Bode from Ondo Finance join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Franklin Bi. In this episode, they discuss how capital markets are coming onchain: - 100% of Franklin Templeton’s digital asset AUM comes from net new crypto-native customers - Ondo’s tokenized ETFs: permissionless, 24/7, usable as DeFi collateral like stablecoins for stocks - AI agents will need blockchain rails to execute 183 trillion in machine-to-machine transactions - A crypto whale bought $50M of Google stock in a single trade. Education incoming. - The headline for mission accomplished: net new inflows to tokenized products exceed off-chain launches 01:57 Franklin Templeton Tokenizing in 2019 03:37 Proving Blockchain Efficiency to the SEC 04:30 The Transfer Agent Advantage 05:55 How Ondo Tokenizes Stocks and ETFs 08:15 How Ondo’s Tokenization Relate 09:05 Why Permissionless Wrappers Unlock Global Capital Markets 10:48 The Real Reason Crypto Wants 24/7 Trading Access 12:02 Stablecoins vs Web2 Fintech: Why Blockchain Wins 13:05 Real-Time Settlement: The Death of T+2 14:22 Smart Contracts That Program Investor Protections 16:29 24/7 Markets Create More Demand 17:02 Why AI Agents Need Tokenization 18:04 $183 Trillion in AI Agent Transactions by 2030 19:01 Legacy Systems Can't Handle Machine-to-Machine Commerce 20:17 Tokenization: The Bridge to Institutional Crypto Allocations 21:04 Why TradFi Needs Crypto's Innovation Stack 22:02 Permissionless Wrappers: Why KYC Doesn't Scale for Agents 23:37 The Moment Franklin Templeton Decided to Partner with Ondo 25:14 Why Permissionless Tokens Scare Traditional Firms 27:29 100% of Franklin's Digital Assets Come From Crypto Natives 30:01 Opening Net New Distribution Channels, Not Just Products 33:20 Success Metrics: Assets, Thought Partnership, and Experimentation 35:07 Educating Crypto Natives on Diversification and ETFs 36:53 When $200M Bitcoin Holders Discover Traditional Assets 38:14 The Generational Shift: Crypto Natives Meet TradFi

Pantera Capital

27,104 views • 3 months ago

On Public Keys at the NYSE 🏛, Eric Balchunas of Bloomberg breaks down why $3B in BTC ETF outflows is just "noise" and why HYPE is the new "Hansel from Zoolander" of crypto ETFs. Plus, Stellar Development Foundation CEO Denelle Dixon on DTCC tapping Stellar as the first public blockchain for tokenized securities. Watch with Jenn Sanasie and Dave LaValle. Thank you to our sponsor Kraken. Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys 00:54 Jamie Dimon vs Brian Armstrong on Stablecoin Yields 03:21 Bitcoin ETFs Shed $2.97B in Outflows 05:50 BTC ETFs Post Worst Week Since January 06:50 Grayscale Amends HYPE ETF Filing 08:36 Bloomberg Intelligence's Eric Balchunas Joins Public Keys 09:39 Why BTC ETF Outflows Are Just 'Noise' 13:00 Wall Street's New BTC Products: Goldman, Morgan Stanley, iShares 15:33 HYPE Is the 'Hansel from Zoolander' of Crypto ETFs 17:57 Will SpaceX ETFs Pull Capital from Crypto? 20:42 10X: What Separates Pro Traders from Retail 22:25 Knowing Your 'Out': The Biggest Mistake in Margin Trading 25:06 Stellar Development Foundation's Denelle Dixon on the DTCC Tokenization Deal 26:14 Stellar Hits $3B in Tokenized Assets in Five Months 28:46 Can Blockchains Handle DTCC-Level Volume? 30:21 Digital Twins and the Issuer-Led Tokenization Question 31:50 Will One Blockchain Win the RWA Race?
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On Public Keys at the NYSE 🏛, Eric Balchunas of Bloomberg breaks down why $3B in BTC ETF outflows is just "noise" and why HYPE is the new "Hansel from Zoolander" of crypto ETFs. Plus, Stellar Development Foundation CEO Denelle Dixon on DTCC tapping Stellar as the first public blockchain for tokenized securities. Watch with Jenn Sanasie and Dave LaValle. Thank you to our sponsor Kraken. Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys 00:54 Jamie Dimon vs Brian Armstrong on Stablecoin Yields 03:21 Bitcoin ETFs Shed $2.97B in Outflows 05:50 BTC ETFs Post Worst Week Since January 06:50 Grayscale Amends HYPE ETF Filing 08:36 Bloomberg Intelligence's Eric Balchunas Joins Public Keys 09:39 Why BTC ETF Outflows Are Just 'Noise' 13:00 Wall Street's New BTC Products: Goldman, Morgan Stanley, iShares 15:33 HYPE Is the 'Hansel from Zoolander' of Crypto ETFs 17:57 Will SpaceX ETFs Pull Capital from Crypto? 20:42 10X: What Separates Pro Traders from Retail 22:25 Knowing Your 'Out': The Biggest Mistake in Margin Trading 25:06 Stellar Development Foundation's Denelle Dixon on the DTCC Tokenization Deal 26:14 Stellar Hits $3B in Tokenized Assets in Five Months 28:46 Can Blockchains Handle DTCC-Level Volume? 30:21 Digital Twins and the Issuer-Led Tokenization Question 31:50 Will One Blockchain Win the RWA Race?

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53,240 views • 2 months ago

We Were Right About This Space $12.7 trillion is now moving toward tokenized money markets. JPMorgan Chase Wealth Management just released a document describing the tokenization of money market funds as a fundamental upgrade to the plumbing of global finance, not a simple technology enhancement. The global money market fund industry is ~$12.7T, with ~$8.1T in the U.S. alone. Their position is explicit: Tokenized money market funds extend the evolution from stablecoins and deposit tokens while enabling: • faster settlement • greater predictability • improved collateral efficiency • more transparent redemptions that may enhance financial stability This document is written for institutional, wholesale, and professional clients and references live infrastructure, not theory. Networks and systems mentioned or contextualized: • Hedera as a public permissioned DLT with built-in regulatory controls • Solana and Avalanche as scalable, widely adopted public blockchains • Bitcoin and Ethereum as foundational blockchain systems • Canton Network through JP Morgan–related settlement and market infrastructure activity Additional real-world deployments highlighted: • JP Morgan arranged a U.S. commercial paper issuance on Solana for Galaxy, purchased by Coinbase and Franklin Templeton Interesting connections uncovered: • Visa launched USDC settlement for U.S. banks on Solana, with Cross River Bank helping scale the program to billions in annualized volume • As early as 2016, Cross River Bank was among the first U.S. banks to adopt Ripple (the “IOU network”) for real-time, low-cost cross-border payments, long before today’s tokenization narratives By the numbers: JP Morgan’s global liquidity business manages ~$1.4T, including ~$1.1T in money market funds, and is actively developing tokenized versions to optimize liquidity. For context, total on-chain tokenized real-world assets today are still only ~$50B. JP Morgan alone is discussing tokenization at a multi-trillion-dollar scale. This isn’t speculation. Regulated financial institutions are preparing for tokenized markets to operate inside the existing system, not outside of it. Networks mentioned: SOL I HBAR I XRP I CC I LINK I ETH I AVAX I BTC Watch what they do, not what they say.
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We Were Right About This Space $12.7 trillion is now moving toward tokenized money markets. JPMorgan Chase Wealth Management just released a document describing the tokenization of money market funds as a fundamental upgrade to the plumbing of global finance, not a simple technology enhancement. The global money market fund industry is ~$12.7T, with ~$8.1T in the U.S. alone. Their position is explicit: Tokenized money market funds extend the evolution from stablecoins and deposit tokens while enabling: • faster settlement • greater predictability • improved collateral efficiency • more transparent redemptions that may enhance financial stability This document is written for institutional, wholesale, and professional clients and references live infrastructure, not theory. Networks and systems mentioned or contextualized: • Hedera as a public permissioned DLT with built-in regulatory controls • Solana and Avalanche as scalable, widely adopted public blockchains • Bitcoin and Ethereum as foundational blockchain systems • Canton Network through JP Morgan–related settlement and market infrastructure activity Additional real-world deployments highlighted: • JP Morgan arranged a U.S. commercial paper issuance on Solana for Galaxy, purchased by Coinbase and Franklin Templeton Interesting connections uncovered: • Visa launched USDC settlement for U.S. banks on Solana, with Cross River Bank helping scale the program to billions in annualized volume • As early as 2016, Cross River Bank was among the first U.S. banks to adopt Ripple (the “IOU network”) for real-time, low-cost cross-border payments, long before today’s tokenization narratives By the numbers: JP Morgan’s global liquidity business manages ~$1.4T, including ~$1.1T in money market funds, and is actively developing tokenized versions to optimize liquidity. For context, total on-chain tokenized real-world assets today are still only ~$50B. JP Morgan alone is discussing tokenization at a multi-trillion-dollar scale. This isn’t speculation. Regulated financial institutions are preparing for tokenized markets to operate inside the existing system, not outside of it. Networks mentioned: SOL I HBAR I XRP I CC I LINK I ETH I AVAX I BTC Watch what they do, not what they say.

Ryan (King) Solomon

17,986 views • 6 months ago

CoinDesk's Public Keys at the NYSE 🏛 takes you back to the highlights from #Consensus2026 → Miami in Miami. Anthony Pompliano 🌪 says "75% of crypto companies aren't going to be here in 5 years," State Street's Angus Fletcher on tokenized fund service launching from Luxembourg by end of 2026, and Sharplink's CEO Joseph Chalom on why ETH's risk/reward "has never been better." With Jenn Sanasie. 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys at NYSE 00:14 Pomp on 75% of Crypto Being "Dead and Never Coming Back" 02:30 The Four Survivors: Bitcoin, Infrastructure, Stablecoins, Tokenization 04:30 Ghost Chains and Why Crypto Needs to Grow Up 05:30 BlackRock Is Now a Bitcoin Company 09:00 Pomp on Prediction Markets and ETFs as "Biggest New Category" 12:30 State Street's Angus Fletcher Joins 14:30 Why Traditional and Digital Will Run Together 17:00 Regulatory Clarity as a Stamp of Approval 18:30 State Street Picks Luxembourg for Tokenized Funds 20:30 SharpLink CEO Joseph Chalom on Ethereum as Infrastructure 23:30 Permanent ETH Capital and Institutional Standards 26:30 Why Stablecoins Will Outpace Bitcoin Payments 31:00 Chalom: ETH Risk/Reward "Never Been Better"
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CoinDesk's Public Keys at the NYSE 🏛 takes you back to the highlights from #Consensus2026 → Miami in Miami. Anthony Pompliano 🌪 says "75% of crypto companies aren't going to be here in 5 years," State Street's Angus Fletcher on tokenized fund service launching from Luxembourg by end of 2026, and Sharplink's CEO Joseph Chalom on why ETH's risk/reward "has never been better." With Jenn Sanasie. 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys at NYSE 00:14 Pomp on 75% of Crypto Being "Dead and Never Coming Back" 02:30 The Four Survivors: Bitcoin, Infrastructure, Stablecoins, Tokenization 04:30 Ghost Chains and Why Crypto Needs to Grow Up 05:30 BlackRock Is Now a Bitcoin Company 09:00 Pomp on Prediction Markets and ETFs as "Biggest New Category" 12:30 State Street's Angus Fletcher Joins 14:30 Why Traditional and Digital Will Run Together 17:00 Regulatory Clarity as a Stamp of Approval 18:30 State Street Picks Luxembourg for Tokenized Funds 20:30 SharpLink CEO Joseph Chalom on Ethereum as Infrastructure 23:30 Permanent ETH Capital and Institutional Standards 26:30 Why Stablecoins Will Outpace Bitcoin Payments 31:00 Chalom: ETH Risk/Reward "Never Been Better"

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16,529 views • 2 months ago

Please enjoy my latest Journey Man episode with Mike Cagney 🇺🇸 00:00 Introduction 02:14 Interview with Mike Cagney Begins – A Pioneer in Tokenization 02:46 Mike's Background in Finance and Transition to Blockchain 04:20 The Evolution from Hedge Funds to Fintech and Blockchain 05:23 Bitcoin, Blockchain, and Displacing Trust with Truth 06:27 How Blockchain Can Reshape Capital Markets 07:58 The Role of Blockchain in Lending and Prime Brokerage 09:27 The Impact of Blockchain on Financial Intermediaries 12:00 Extracting Cost Savings Through On-Chain Transactions 14:36 Traditional Financial Institutions Adopting Blockchain 16:44 Creating a Permanent Capital Guarantor for Private Credit 18:22 Real-Time Remittance Tracking and Its Impact on Hedge Funds 19:52 The Struggle to Get Banks and Regulators on Board 21:27 Public Blockchain Adoption: Resistance and Opportunities 23:39 Developing a Blockchain-Native Security for Fiat Rails 25:14 The Future of On-Chain Securities and Banking Infrastructure 27:26 Building a Decentralized Exchange for Blockchain Assets 30:07 The Vision of a Fully Cross-Collateralized Financial System 32:49 The Expansion into Public Equities and Disrupting Prime Brokerage 34:29 How Traditional Financial Institutions View Blockchain 36:48 Challenges of Tokenizing Traditional Financial Systems 39:04 Why Financial Institutions Are Hesitant to Embrace Blockchain 41:07 The Future of Blockchain in Global Finance 42:49 Scaling Challenges for Blockchain in Financial Markets 44:44 Ethereum vs. Other Chains: The Institutional Perspective 48:02 The Potential of JP Morgan Launching a Stablecoin on Ethereum 50:39 Figure’s Plans for Public Listings and Market Expansion 53:44 Expected Regulatory Changes and Market Structure Updates 57:29 Key Takeaways: The Future of Blockchain in Finance 58:36 Raoul's Final Thoughts and Reflections on the Interview 1:00:00 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Please enjoy my latest Journey Man episode with Mike Cagney 🇺🇸 00:00 Introduction 02:14 Interview with Mike Cagney Begins – A Pioneer in Tokenization 02:46 Mike's Background in Finance and Transition to Blockchain 04:20 The Evolution from Hedge Funds to Fintech and Blockchain 05:23 Bitcoin, Blockchain, and Displacing Trust with Truth 06:27 How Blockchain Can Reshape Capital Markets 07:58 The Role of Blockchain in Lending and Prime Brokerage 09:27 The Impact of Blockchain on Financial Intermediaries 12:00 Extracting Cost Savings Through On-Chain Transactions 14:36 Traditional Financial Institutions Adopting Blockchain 16:44 Creating a Permanent Capital Guarantor for Private Credit 18:22 Real-Time Remittance Tracking and Its Impact on Hedge Funds 19:52 The Struggle to Get Banks and Regulators on Board 21:27 Public Blockchain Adoption: Resistance and Opportunities 23:39 Developing a Blockchain-Native Security for Fiat Rails 25:14 The Future of On-Chain Securities and Banking Infrastructure 27:26 Building a Decentralized Exchange for Blockchain Assets 30:07 The Vision of a Fully Cross-Collateralized Financial System 32:49 The Expansion into Public Equities and Disrupting Prime Brokerage 34:29 How Traditional Financial Institutions View Blockchain 36:48 Challenges of Tokenizing Traditional Financial Systems 39:04 Why Financial Institutions Are Hesitant to Embrace Blockchain 41:07 The Future of Blockchain in Global Finance 42:49 Scaling Challenges for Blockchain in Financial Markets 44:44 Ethereum vs. Other Chains: The Institutional Perspective 48:02 The Potential of JP Morgan Launching a Stablecoin on Ethereum 50:39 Figure’s Plans for Public Listings and Market Expansion 53:44 Expected Regulatory Changes and Market Structure Updates 57:29 Key Takeaways: The Future of Blockchain in Finance 58:36 Raoul's Final Thoughts and Reflections on the Interview 1:00:00 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Raoul Pal

154,659 views • 1 year ago

Cards vs stablecoins for agentic payments? Both. And here is why. Cuy Sheffield (Visa Crypto) and Jay Yu 🐟 (Pantera Capital) join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Mason Nystrom. In this episode, they cover everything at the intersection of payments, AI, and crypto: - Stablecoin supply up 40%, adjusted volume up 90% in 2025 and still accelerating - The AI mullet: cards in the front, stablecoins in the back - Vibe coders are the most exciting customer segment on the planet. One human companies are coming. - Kill the API key: wallet identity over X402 and MPP is a 10x better developer experience - Why cards are the best way for agents to pay and be paid. 01:08 How Stablecoins Grew 40% in 2025 02:42 Why Stablecoins Work Like Cards 04:16 Visa's Payment Infrastructure Play 05:14 Permissionless vs Vertical Stablecoin Networks 07:32 Agentic Payments: Real vs Hype 09:04 x402: The Agenctic Inflection Point 09:30 Killing API Keys With Wallets 13:00 Building for the Vibe Coder 14:54 Cards vs Crypto: The Real Debate 16:50 What Actually Works for Builders 18:49 Cross-Chain Payment Infrastructure 21:36 Keys, Wallets & User Experience 24:36 Future of Autonomous Payments 29:13 What Gets Builders Most Excited 34:31 Agentic Payment Holy Grails
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Cards vs stablecoins for agentic payments? Both. And here is why. Cuy Sheffield (Visa Crypto) and Jay Yu 🐟 (Pantera Capital) join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Mason Nystrom. In this episode, they cover everything at the intersection of payments, AI, and crypto: - Stablecoin supply up 40%, adjusted volume up 90% in 2025 and still accelerating - The AI mullet: cards in the front, stablecoins in the back - Vibe coders are the most exciting customer segment on the planet. One human companies are coming. - Kill the API key: wallet identity over X402 and MPP is a 10x better developer experience - Why cards are the best way for agents to pay and be paid. 01:08 How Stablecoins Grew 40% in 2025 02:42 Why Stablecoins Work Like Cards 04:16 Visa's Payment Infrastructure Play 05:14 Permissionless vs Vertical Stablecoin Networks 07:32 Agentic Payments: Real vs Hype 09:04 x402: The Agenctic Inflection Point 09:30 Killing API Keys With Wallets 13:00 Building for the Vibe Coder 14:54 Cards vs Crypto: The Real Debate 16:50 What Actually Works for Builders 18:49 Cross-Chain Payment Infrastructure 21:36 Keys, Wallets & User Experience 24:36 Future of Autonomous Payments 29:13 What Gets Builders Most Excited 34:31 Agentic Payment Holy Grails

Pantera Capital

33,272 views • 3 months ago

"Tokenized assets are exploding in value." Ian de Bode is President Ondo Finance, the company bringing US treasuries, stocks, and ETFs on-chain. He watched tokenized treasuries grow from $1 billion to $15 billion in two years. The man building the rails between Wall Street and crypto now says the two systems are about to merge and traditional finance isn't ready. "You should prepare for a world in which tokenized securities co-exist with normal securities. So get ready." We cover: Why tokenized assets exploded from $1B to $15B and aren't slowing down How every crypto exchange became a stock broker overnight Why Tesla and Google don't care about tokenizing their stock (and why that doesn't matter) How every token is backed 1:1 with daily third-party attestations Why tokenized stocks work like stablecoins: your wallet, no permissions, 24/7 How hedge fund leverage loops and carry trades come to DeFi Why perps on stocks could become a bigger market than all of crypto The road to markets that never close and who moves first What the Genius Act and Clarity Act actually signal Thanks to Ian De Bode for coming on New Era Finance Podcast. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Tokenized Assets Explode To $15 Billion 02:40 - Where The Demand Comes From 04:30 - Native Tokenization vs Permissionless Wrappers 07:20 - How Every Token Is Backed 10:00 - Using Tokenized Stocks In DeFi 13:30 - Leverage, Collateral & Capital Efficiency 17:00 - Perps On Stocks: Bigger Than Crypto 21:00 - The Road To 24/7 Markets 24:30 - Genius Act, Clarity Act & What's Next
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"Tokenized assets are exploding in value." Ian de Bode is President Ondo Finance, the company bringing US treasuries, stocks, and ETFs on-chain. He watched tokenized treasuries grow from $1 billion to $15 billion in two years. The man building the rails between Wall Street and crypto now says the two systems are about to merge and traditional finance isn't ready. "You should prepare for a world in which tokenized securities co-exist with normal securities. So get ready." We cover: Why tokenized assets exploded from $1B to $15B and aren't slowing down How every crypto exchange became a stock broker overnight Why Tesla and Google don't care about tokenizing their stock (and why that doesn't matter) How every token is backed 1:1 with daily third-party attestations Why tokenized stocks work like stablecoins: your wallet, no permissions, 24/7 How hedge fund leverage loops and carry trades come to DeFi Why perps on stocks could become a bigger market than all of crypto The road to markets that never close and who moves first What the Genius Act and Clarity Act actually signal Thanks to Ian De Bode for coming on New Era Finance Podcast. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Tokenized Assets Explode To $15 Billion 02:40 - Where The Demand Comes From 04:30 - Native Tokenization vs Permissionless Wrappers 07:20 - How Every Token Is Backed 10:00 - Using Tokenized Stocks In DeFi 13:30 - Leverage, Collateral & Capital Efficiency 17:00 - Perps On Stocks: Bigger Than Crypto 21:00 - The Road To 24/7 Markets 24:30 - Genius Act, Clarity Act & What's Next

New Era Finance Podcast

56,237 views • 1 month ago

My dear friend, Vlad Tenev, changed the landscape of investing forever! The rise of the retail investor is largely due to Robinhood's success... and in this new Journey Man, we discuss it all... Enjoy! 00:00 - Intro 00:53 - Introducing Vlad Tenev of Robinhood 01:27 - Why Take on Wall Street? 01:54 - Robinhood’s Zero-Fee Origin Story 02:53 - Inspiration from Instagram and Uber 04:24 - Reimagining Trading for Mobile 05:05 - The Challenge of Disrupting Finance 05:42 - Why Everything Is Hard 06:34 - Early Wrong Assumptions 07:42 - Raising Capital with a Small Vision 08:48 - Funding Robinhood on AngelList 09:50 - Early Investors Changed Their Lives 10:38 - The Crypto Explosion Begins 11:07 - Considering a Bitcoin Exchange First 12:17 - Bitcoin’s Early Skepticism and Growth 13:08 - Robinhood Launches Crypto in 2018 14:03 - 2020: Crypto Revenue Surges Overnight 15:04 - The Challenge of Crypto Cyclicality 16:11 - Staffing a Volatile Business 17:10 - Building Robinhood’s Lean Crypto Team 18:46 - Robinhood’s First Crypto Event Coming 19:38 - Where TradFi Meets DeFi 20:34 - Tokenizing Everything 21:09 - Robinhood’s Vision for Crypto + Finance 21:47 - Thoughts on Crypto Options Demand 23:04 - Why Crypto Options Haven’t Taken Off 24:09 - Millennials and the Speculative Economy 25:22 - Democratizing Trading for Everyone 26:08 - Why Buy-and-Hold Doesn’t Work for All 27:15 - Trading vs Investing: A Matter of Wealth 28:01 - Trading as a Skill Anyone Can Build 29:13 - Robinhood’s Role in Onboarding Millions 30:06 - The Fed's Role and Retail Insight 31:03 - The Rise of the Retail Macro Trader 32:17 - Helping Users Succeed with Robinhood Strategies 33:35 - Power of Community and the Hive Mind 34:55 - Will AI Disrupt Community Too? 36:14 - Technological Waves and Investor Opportunity 37:10 - Human Purpose in an AI World 37:52 - Tokenizing Human Connection 38:28 - Creators, Platforms, and Future-Proofing 39:26 - Vlad’s Long-Term View of the Future 40:05 - Financial Services at the Heart of Disruption 41:14 - If AI Replaces Jobs, What Happens to Investing? 42:25 - Entering the Economic Singularity 43:31 - What Happens When AIs Win the Markets? 44:16 - AI's Role in Capital and Markets 45:07 - Will AI Eliminate Human Emotion from Markets? 46:06 - HFT: The Original AI Traders 47:20 - AI and Long-Term Probabilistic Forecasting 48:48 - GPUs, Gaming, and the Origins of AI 50:01 - Nvidia, CUDA, and Wall Street Arms Races 51:04 - Flash Boys and Microwave Trading 51:54 - Will AI Costs Go to Zero? 52:52 - Lower Cost, Higher Usage 53:41 - Robinhood’s UX Won’t Be Just a Chatbox 55:16 - Cortex: AI-Powered Features at Robinhood 56:54 - Tokenization and the Future of Asset Management 57:44 - Crowdsourced, Tokenized Hedge Funds 58:48 - Portability of Tokenized Assets 59:39 - Blockchain as the New Rails of Finance 01:00:09 - The Trump Token and Capital Formation 01:01:00 - Capital Access Unlocks Innovation 01:01:49 - Why Crypto Needs Regulatory Clarity 01:03:17 - From Meme Coins to Real Assets 01:04:17 - Crypto's Path to $100 Trillion? 01:05:15 - The Financial System Will Run on Blockchains 01:06:00 - Platform Layer vs Application Layer Wealth 01:06:29 - AI Raises Money and Launches Tokens 01:07:39 - AIs Creating Software and Capital Formation 01:08:00 - Final Thoughts: A Wild Future Ahead 01:08:20 - When Will Vlad Buy a CryptoPunk? 01:08:51 - Wrapping Up: AI, Crypto, and the Road Ahead
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My dear friend, Vlad Tenev, changed the landscape of investing forever! The rise of the retail investor is largely due to Robinhood's success... and in this new Journey Man, we discuss it all... Enjoy! 00:00 - Intro 00:53 - Introducing Vlad Tenev of Robinhood 01:27 - Why Take on Wall Street? 01:54 - Robinhood’s Zero-Fee Origin Story 02:53 - Inspiration from Instagram and Uber 04:24 - Reimagining Trading for Mobile 05:05 - The Challenge of Disrupting Finance 05:42 - Why Everything Is Hard 06:34 - Early Wrong Assumptions 07:42 - Raising Capital with a Small Vision 08:48 - Funding Robinhood on AngelList 09:50 - Early Investors Changed Their Lives 10:38 - The Crypto Explosion Begins 11:07 - Considering a Bitcoin Exchange First 12:17 - Bitcoin’s Early Skepticism and Growth 13:08 - Robinhood Launches Crypto in 2018 14:03 - 2020: Crypto Revenue Surges Overnight 15:04 - The Challenge of Crypto Cyclicality 16:11 - Staffing a Volatile Business 17:10 - Building Robinhood’s Lean Crypto Team 18:46 - Robinhood’s First Crypto Event Coming 19:38 - Where TradFi Meets DeFi 20:34 - Tokenizing Everything 21:09 - Robinhood’s Vision for Crypto + Finance 21:47 - Thoughts on Crypto Options Demand 23:04 - Why Crypto Options Haven’t Taken Off 24:09 - Millennials and the Speculative Economy 25:22 - Democratizing Trading for Everyone 26:08 - Why Buy-and-Hold Doesn’t Work for All 27:15 - Trading vs Investing: A Matter of Wealth 28:01 - Trading as a Skill Anyone Can Build 29:13 - Robinhood’s Role in Onboarding Millions 30:06 - The Fed's Role and Retail Insight 31:03 - The Rise of the Retail Macro Trader 32:17 - Helping Users Succeed with Robinhood Strategies 33:35 - Power of Community and the Hive Mind 34:55 - Will AI Disrupt Community Too? 36:14 - Technological Waves and Investor Opportunity 37:10 - Human Purpose in an AI World 37:52 - Tokenizing Human Connection 38:28 - Creators, Platforms, and Future-Proofing 39:26 - Vlad’s Long-Term View of the Future 40:05 - Financial Services at the Heart of Disruption 41:14 - If AI Replaces Jobs, What Happens to Investing? 42:25 - Entering the Economic Singularity 43:31 - What Happens When AIs Win the Markets? 44:16 - AI's Role in Capital and Markets 45:07 - Will AI Eliminate Human Emotion from Markets? 46:06 - HFT: The Original AI Traders 47:20 - AI and Long-Term Probabilistic Forecasting 48:48 - GPUs, Gaming, and the Origins of AI 50:01 - Nvidia, CUDA, and Wall Street Arms Races 51:04 - Flash Boys and Microwave Trading 51:54 - Will AI Costs Go to Zero? 52:52 - Lower Cost, Higher Usage 53:41 - Robinhood’s UX Won’t Be Just a Chatbox 55:16 - Cortex: AI-Powered Features at Robinhood 56:54 - Tokenization and the Future of Asset Management 57:44 - Crowdsourced, Tokenized Hedge Funds 58:48 - Portability of Tokenized Assets 59:39 - Blockchain as the New Rails of Finance 01:00:09 - The Trump Token and Capital Formation 01:01:00 - Capital Access Unlocks Innovation 01:01:49 - Why Crypto Needs Regulatory Clarity 01:03:17 - From Meme Coins to Real Assets 01:04:17 - Crypto's Path to $100 Trillion? 01:05:15 - The Financial System Will Run on Blockchains 01:06:00 - Platform Layer vs Application Layer Wealth 01:06:29 - AI Raises Money and Launches Tokens 01:07:39 - AIs Creating Software and Capital Formation 01:08:00 - Final Thoughts: A Wild Future Ahead 01:08:20 - When Will Vlad Buy a CryptoPunk? 01:08:51 - Wrapping Up: AI, Crypto, and the Road Ahead

Raoul Pal

172,640 views • 1 year ago

"Crypto is the dumbest market in the world" Scott Phillips (Temu Robot James) runs HyperTrend — $20M of his own capital, one losing year in six. His edge? Picking the table big firms can't sit at. "There's no second-best counterparty in crypto. You see crime, you run towards it — crime is the foundation of edge." We cover: - Why crypto still has edge in 2026 — even when your uncle is talking about Bitcoin at Thanksgiving - The simple rules (buy 20-day highs, top-20 coins) that print through any market - Why stacking trend + momentum + carry gets you there from a spreadsheet — no automation required - Price-insensitive buyers (Saylor), price-insensitive sellers (North Korea) & why both are permanent alpha - The 90-day Binance listing short — an edge hiding in plain sight in market maker contracts - Why most shit coins trend to zero — and how to trade the ones that don't - Building a tokenized, permissionless DeFi hedge fund on hyperliquid — 2 & 20, fully on-chain - Why the best quant firms are run by near-non-verbal autists with one translator Thank you so much Temu Robot James for coming on the pod! Highlights: 01:04 Table selection and the math of competitive alpha 06:21 Why basic trend following yields outsized Sharpe in crypto 08:49 Why market inefficiency persists despite institutional inflows 14:58 Price insensitive buyers: Cults, VCs, and North Korean hackers 17:17 Factor analysis and the size-decay effect in shitcoins 25:40 The structural edge in mid-frequency crypto strategies 32:43 Tokenized DeFi vaults and on-chain hedge fund governance 40:43 Designing a robust portfolio: Equal weighting vs. MVO 44:21 Sourcing alpha from ghost chains and VC exit liquidity 49:58 Exploiting market maker contracts and post-listing drift 53:55 Operational alpha: Managing margin and manipulated funding rates 01:01:13 Shifting from quant to CEO 01:11:28 How to bridge the mentorship gap with elite traders 01:22:38 Building network triads: The secret to compounding social capital 01:29:23 Why 10x goals require total identity transformation
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"Crypto is the dumbest market in the world" Scott Phillips (Temu Robot James) runs HyperTrend — $20M of his own capital, one losing year in six. His edge? Picking the table big firms can't sit at. "There's no second-best counterparty in crypto. You see crime, you run towards it — crime is the foundation of edge." We cover: - Why crypto still has edge in 2026 — even when your uncle is talking about Bitcoin at Thanksgiving - The simple rules (buy 20-day highs, top-20 coins) that print through any market - Why stacking trend + momentum + carry gets you there from a spreadsheet — no automation required - Price-insensitive buyers (Saylor), price-insensitive sellers (North Korea) & why both are permanent alpha - The 90-day Binance listing short — an edge hiding in plain sight in market maker contracts - Why most shit coins trend to zero — and how to trade the ones that don't - Building a tokenized, permissionless DeFi hedge fund on hyperliquid — 2 & 20, fully on-chain - Why the best quant firms are run by near-non-verbal autists with one translator Thank you so much Temu Robot James for coming on the pod! Highlights: 01:04 Table selection and the math of competitive alpha 06:21 Why basic trend following yields outsized Sharpe in crypto 08:49 Why market inefficiency persists despite institutional inflows 14:58 Price insensitive buyers: Cults, VCs, and North Korean hackers 17:17 Factor analysis and the size-decay effect in shitcoins 25:40 The structural edge in mid-frequency crypto strategies 32:43 Tokenized DeFi vaults and on-chain hedge fund governance 40:43 Designing a robust portfolio: Equal weighting vs. MVO 44:21 Sourcing alpha from ghost chains and VC exit liquidity 49:58 Exploiting market maker contracts and post-listing drift 53:55 Operational alpha: Managing margin and manipulated funding rates 01:01:13 Shifting from quant to CEO 01:11:28 How to bridge the mentorship gap with elite traders 01:22:38 Building network triads: The secret to compounding social capital 01:29:23 Why 10x goals require total identity transformation

Ethan Kho

1,460,108 views • 3 months ago

Joseph Chalom explains why BlackRock launched BUIDL on Ethereum “I’m not a spokesman for Larry Fink, but he really evolved his thinking on Bitcoin, and I give him a lot of credit because there’s very few people in their 60s or 70s who have the humility to continue to be a student of the market and a student of technology. And he learned that it’s an incredible store of value and has a role in a portfolio.” “I think BlackRock and others believe even more strongly that tokenization will essentially lead to the democratization and digitization of all of finance. Crypto is a $2.4 trillion market. Total financial assets are over $700 trillion. Our clients wanted to know where we were going, and we led them along.” “We launched a token called BUIDL, which was a yield-bearing security on mainnet Ethereum that was interchangeable 24/7 with stablecoins and could be used as collateral in on-chain transactions. That became the largest tokenized fund in history — not because it was BlackRock, but because we provided real utility. The industry was missing real examples and use cases of utility, and we wanted our first foray into tokenization to be something that would break barriers and give clients more utility than what they had, which was that stablecoins were not earning yield.” BUIDL has grown to $2.5 billion, and BlackRock has since filed to launch two new tokenized money market funds on Ethereum. BSTBL brings the nearly $7 billion Select Treasury Liquidity Fund on-chain, with BNY Melon keeping the official shareholder registry on Ethereum in ERC-20 tokens. BRSRV is a new fund built for stablecoin reserves and the GENIUS Act-driven institutional demand for tokenized Treasury yield. Source: Thinking Crypto Podcast (Mar 2026)
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Joseph Chalom explains why BlackRock launched BUIDL on Ethereum “I’m not a spokesman for Larry Fink, but he really evolved his thinking on Bitcoin, and I give him a lot of credit because there’s very few people in their 60s or 70s who have the humility to continue to be a student of the market and a student of technology. And he learned that it’s an incredible store of value and has a role in a portfolio.” “I think BlackRock and others believe even more strongly that tokenization will essentially lead to the democratization and digitization of all of finance. Crypto is a $2.4 trillion market. Total financial assets are over $700 trillion. Our clients wanted to know where we were going, and we led them along.” “We launched a token called BUIDL, which was a yield-bearing security on mainnet Ethereum that was interchangeable 24/7 with stablecoins and could be used as collateral in on-chain transactions. That became the largest tokenized fund in history — not because it was BlackRock, but because we provided real utility. The industry was missing real examples and use cases of utility, and we wanted our first foray into tokenization to be something that would break barriers and give clients more utility than what they had, which was that stablecoins were not earning yield.” BUIDL has grown to $2.5 billion, and BlackRock has since filed to launch two new tokenized money market funds on Ethereum. BSTBL brings the nearly $7 billion Select Treasury Liquidity Fund on-chain, with BNY Melon keeping the official shareholder registry on Ethereum in ERC-20 tokens. BRSRV is a new fund built for stablecoin reserves and the GENIUS Act-driven institutional demand for tokenized Treasury yield. Source: Thinking Crypto Podcast (Mar 2026)

Etherealize

49,244 views • 2 months ago

We sat down with Matt Hougan at Breakpoint to talk about what happens when Wall Street finally starts to pay attention to stablecoins. Almost no one in traditional finance cared until the GENIUS Act. Now the Treasury Secretary is projecting a market repricing to $3.7 trillion. The question institutions are asking: how do I actually invest in this? That's what Bitwise has filed to build. As CIO managing over $15 billion in assets, Matt breaks down the stablecoin ETF filing — half crypto protocols like Solana and Ethereum, half companies like Circle and Coinbase 🛡️ — designed for investors who know stablecoins are going to be big but don't know where the value will accrue. Key Moments: 04:18 - "Almost no one cared until the GENIUS Act" 06:55 - "Robbed of the interest income for the last hundred years" 08:30 - Why the GENIUS Act timeline matters 10:38 - The stablecoin ETF thesis and filing 14:26 - Tokenization: $68 trillion in US equities 18:14 - Why stablecoin economics mirror Charles Schwab's profit model 21:55 - Solana's role in internet capital markets 23:48 - The Solana thesis: two bets at once Recorded at Solana Breakpoint 2025
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We sat down with Matt Hougan at Breakpoint to talk about what happens when Wall Street finally starts to pay attention to stablecoins. Almost no one in traditional finance cared until the GENIUS Act. Now the Treasury Secretary is projecting a market repricing to $3.7 trillion. The question institutions are asking: how do I actually invest in this? That's what Bitwise has filed to build. As CIO managing over $15 billion in assets, Matt breaks down the stablecoin ETF filing — half crypto protocols like Solana and Ethereum, half companies like Circle and Coinbase 🛡️ — designed for investors who know stablecoins are going to be big but don't know where the value will accrue. Key Moments: 04:18 - "Almost no one cared until the GENIUS Act" 06:55 - "Robbed of the interest income for the last hundred years" 08:30 - Why the GENIUS Act timeline matters 10:38 - The stablecoin ETF thesis and filing 14:26 - Tokenization: $68 trillion in US equities 18:14 - Why stablecoin economics mirror Charles Schwab's profit model 21:55 - Solana's role in internet capital markets 23:48 - The Solana thesis: two bets at once Recorded at Solana Breakpoint 2025

Stabledash

28,855 views • 6 months ago

Full story with Armani Ferrante on 24/7 US equities for international investors. What is Backpack? Bona fide security entitlements. Stablecoins. US capital markets. 00:34 What is Backpack? Your neobrokerage. Your money. Your exchange. “Backpack is a globally regulated financial institution for the future of money. And right now, we are in the early innings of this incredible transformation of global finance all around the world.” 01:47 24/7 trading with a bona fide security entitlement 24/7 trading began in crypto. But not all tokenized stocks represent the same asset or come with the same legal rights. “If you take a look at what the tokenized stock issuers are doing today... these properties might be different legal rights. They might be cash settled. And so they might be more akin to something like a CFD rather than an actual security entitlement.” “What we're doing is really for the first time opening up 24/7 trading for a genuine bona fide security entitlement.” “Markets will close on Friday in the US. And over the weekend, Saturday and Sunday, people through the Backpack brokerage will continue to trade and they'll get the exact same asset that you would expect from your neighborhood brokerage account.” 03:47 The world building on US capital markets “Jensen Huang from NVIDIA, he loves to say that the world needs to build on the American tech stack. But we don't talk enough about the world building on the US capital market. And that's really the thing that's happening with crypto right now.” 04:07 Stablecoins first. Tokenized equities next. “Maybe from a domestic point of view, a stablecoin is a story about efficiency, a story about upgrading the existing financial system. But when you look internationally, it's a very different story. It's a story about access. It's a story about the entire world wanting access to US dollars, even if they don't have access to local USD banking rails.” Circle and Tether have grown into major holders of US Treasuries. Backpack is bringing that same global access to tokenized US equities on Solana. “In the exact same way that US dollars have really been exported to the entire world and proliferated through the form factor of a stablecoin, we fully expect tokenization of US equities to have the exact same effect, but for publicly traded companies in the US all around the world.”
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Full story with Armani Ferrante on 24/7 US equities for international investors. What is Backpack? Bona fide security entitlements. Stablecoins. US capital markets. 00:34 What is Backpack? Your neobrokerage. Your money. Your exchange. “Backpack is a globally regulated financial institution for the future of money. And right now, we are in the early innings of this incredible transformation of global finance all around the world.” 01:47 24/7 trading with a bona fide security entitlement 24/7 trading began in crypto. But not all tokenized stocks represent the same asset or come with the same legal rights. “If you take a look at what the tokenized stock issuers are doing today... these properties might be different legal rights. They might be cash settled. And so they might be more akin to something like a CFD rather than an actual security entitlement.” “What we're doing is really for the first time opening up 24/7 trading for a genuine bona fide security entitlement.” “Markets will close on Friday in the US. And over the weekend, Saturday and Sunday, people through the Backpack brokerage will continue to trade and they'll get the exact same asset that you would expect from your neighborhood brokerage account.” 03:47 The world building on US capital markets “Jensen Huang from NVIDIA, he loves to say that the world needs to build on the American tech stack. But we don't talk enough about the world building on the US capital market. And that's really the thing that's happening with crypto right now.” 04:07 Stablecoins first. Tokenized equities next. “Maybe from a domestic point of view, a stablecoin is a story about efficiency, a story about upgrading the existing financial system. But when you look internationally, it's a very different story. It's a story about access. It's a story about the entire world wanting access to US dollars, even if they don't have access to local USD banking rails.” Circle and Tether have grown into major holders of US Treasuries. Backpack is bringing that same global access to tokenized US equities on Solana. “In the exact same way that US dollars have really been exported to the entire world and proliferated through the form factor of a stablecoin, we fully expect tokenization of US equities to have the exact same effect, but for publicly traded companies in the US all around the world.”

Backpack 🎒

45,483 views • 9 days ago

🔥Web3 Beyond the hype! In this exclusive conversation, hardik, Founder & CEO of The Crypto Times, sits down with Max Rebol, Founding Partner at Harbour Industrial Capital, to explore the future of Polkadot, why focused VC strategies win, and how DePIN and real-world use cases will power the next phase of blockchain adoption. From scaling to a billion users to data monetization and sustainable crypto projects, this one’s packed with insights for Web3 builders and investors. ------------------------------------------------ 00:00 – Introduction to Max Rebol & Harbour Industrial Capital 00:28 – Max Rebol’s Background & Launching a Polkadot-Focused VC Fund 01:47 – Web3 Foundation's Role in Fund Two 02:05 – Fund Size, Track Record, and Investment Strategy 03:05 – Top Investment: Peaq Network & Depin Use Case 04:14 – Web3 for Real-World Users vs. Crypto Natives 04:40 – Polkadot in Gaming: Mythical Games & FIFA Rivals 05:46 – Blockchain Gameplay: Trading Virtual Players 06:21 – Polkadot vs. Ethereum as Backend Infrastructure 07:32 – Cost of Deploying Parachains & Entry Barriers 08:29 – Agile Core Time: Polkadot’s New Scaling Model 10:01 – Scaling from 10 to a Billion Users with Agile Core Time 10:59 – Ethereum’s L2 Challenges and Polkadot's Efficiency 12:30 – L2s as Free Riders? Ethereum’s Sustainability Problem 13:31 – Protocol Revenue: The Crypto Chain Survival Metric 15:06 – Stablecoin Transfers & Nova Wallet Fee Benefits 16:34 – Why Are People Still Using Tron? 17:27 – Polkadot Fee Flexibility: Use USDC/USDT to Pay Fees 18:04 – Protocol Revenue Models for Developers 19:29 – What Gives DOT Token Real Value 20:34 – Polkadot Compared to AWS Credits 22:26 – Polkadot’s TPS Benchmark: 143,000 TPS 24:22 – Polkadot JAM and the Future of Multicore Blockchain 25:46 – Solana Centralization & Hardware Limitations 27:15 – Meme Coin Culture vs. Blockchain Ethics 28:29 – Why Polkadot Won’t Compete in the Meme Coin Space 30:41 – Crypto Narratives from 2017 to 2024 32:56 – Real World Use Cases as the Next Big Narrative 34:23 – Tokenization of Every Asset: The Long-Term Vision 35:42 – Identity & Privacy Use Cases on Polkadot 36:44 – Moving Beyond KYC with Privacy-Preserving Tech 38:14 – Why Traditional Investors Would Use Tokenized Platforms 40:00 – Fractional Real Estate & Global Financial Inclusion 41:48 – Interoperability & Modular Compliance on Polkadot 43:13 – Smart Contracts Enforcing Local Regulations 44:55 – Permissionless Execution vs. Centralized Chains 47:08 – Polkadot NPoS vs. PoS: More Efficient Validator Use 49:09 – Governance on Polkadot: The World’s Largest DAO 50:52 – How Polkadot Treasury Proposals Work (Subsquareio) 51:53 – What Is Polkadot JAM? (Join-Accumulate Machine) 53:47 – Multicore Architecture: Like a Cloud Server for Web3 55:28 – Coherence Across Cores: JAM’s Secret Weapon 56:17 – Doom on the Blockchain: JAM Demonstration 57:53 – Why Not All Games Should Run Fully On-Chain 1:00:02 – Fun Gameplay First, Crypto Utility Second 1:01:55 – Owning & Trading Game Assets on Blockchain 1:03:22 – Mythical Games: Call of Duty Devs Build for Web3 1:05:06 – Raising Capital for Fund 2: Focus on Institutional Investors 1:06:34 – Family Offices’ Strategic Web3 Bets: Why They Choose Polkadot 1:08:32 – Why Focused VC Funds Beat Diversified Strategies 1:10:25 – Capital Deployment Strategy: Revenue-Driven Projects 1:11:45 – Depin & Data Monetization: The Next Web3 Goldmine 1:13:17 – Example: Cars Selling Anonymous Driving Data 1:14:49 – Exchanges, Bridges & Revenue-Focused Infrastructure 1:15:56 – Investing in HyperBridge: Security & Bridge Revenue 1:16:34 – The Future of VC: Sustainable Projects Over Hype 1:16:52 – Closing Words & Thanks from the Interviewer
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🔥Web3 Beyond the hype! In this exclusive conversation, hardik, Founder & CEO of The Crypto Times, sits down with Max Rebol, Founding Partner at Harbour Industrial Capital, to explore the future of Polkadot, why focused VC strategies win, and how DePIN and real-world use cases will power the next phase of blockchain adoption. From scaling to a billion users to data monetization and sustainable crypto projects, this one’s packed with insights for Web3 builders and investors. ------------------------------------------------ 00:00 – Introduction to Max Rebol & Harbour Industrial Capital 00:28 – Max Rebol’s Background & Launching a Polkadot-Focused VC Fund 01:47 – Web3 Foundation's Role in Fund Two 02:05 – Fund Size, Track Record, and Investment Strategy 03:05 – Top Investment: Peaq Network & Depin Use Case 04:14 – Web3 for Real-World Users vs. Crypto Natives 04:40 – Polkadot in Gaming: Mythical Games & FIFA Rivals 05:46 – Blockchain Gameplay: Trading Virtual Players 06:21 – Polkadot vs. Ethereum as Backend Infrastructure 07:32 – Cost of Deploying Parachains & Entry Barriers 08:29 – Agile Core Time: Polkadot’s New Scaling Model 10:01 – Scaling from 10 to a Billion Users with Agile Core Time 10:59 – Ethereum’s L2 Challenges and Polkadot's Efficiency 12:30 – L2s as Free Riders? Ethereum’s Sustainability Problem 13:31 – Protocol Revenue: The Crypto Chain Survival Metric 15:06 – Stablecoin Transfers & Nova Wallet Fee Benefits 16:34 – Why Are People Still Using Tron? 17:27 – Polkadot Fee Flexibility: Use USDC/USDT to Pay Fees 18:04 – Protocol Revenue Models for Developers 19:29 – What Gives DOT Token Real Value 20:34 – Polkadot Compared to AWS Credits 22:26 – Polkadot’s TPS Benchmark: 143,000 TPS 24:22 – Polkadot JAM and the Future of Multicore Blockchain 25:46 – Solana Centralization & Hardware Limitations 27:15 – Meme Coin Culture vs. Blockchain Ethics 28:29 – Why Polkadot Won’t Compete in the Meme Coin Space 30:41 – Crypto Narratives from 2017 to 2024 32:56 – Real World Use Cases as the Next Big Narrative 34:23 – Tokenization of Every Asset: The Long-Term Vision 35:42 – Identity & Privacy Use Cases on Polkadot 36:44 – Moving Beyond KYC with Privacy-Preserving Tech 38:14 – Why Traditional Investors Would Use Tokenized Platforms 40:00 – Fractional Real Estate & Global Financial Inclusion 41:48 – Interoperability & Modular Compliance on Polkadot 43:13 – Smart Contracts Enforcing Local Regulations 44:55 – Permissionless Execution vs. Centralized Chains 47:08 – Polkadot NPoS vs. PoS: More Efficient Validator Use 49:09 – Governance on Polkadot: The World’s Largest DAO 50:52 – How Polkadot Treasury Proposals Work (Subsquareio) 51:53 – What Is Polkadot JAM? (Join-Accumulate Machine) 53:47 – Multicore Architecture: Like a Cloud Server for Web3 55:28 – Coherence Across Cores: JAM’s Secret Weapon 56:17 – Doom on the Blockchain: JAM Demonstration 57:53 – Why Not All Games Should Run Fully On-Chain 1:00:02 – Fun Gameplay First, Crypto Utility Second 1:01:55 – Owning & Trading Game Assets on Blockchain 1:03:22 – Mythical Games: Call of Duty Devs Build for Web3 1:05:06 – Raising Capital for Fund 2: Focus on Institutional Investors 1:06:34 – Family Offices’ Strategic Web3 Bets: Why They Choose Polkadot 1:08:32 – Why Focused VC Funds Beat Diversified Strategies 1:10:25 – Capital Deployment Strategy: Revenue-Driven Projects 1:11:45 – Depin & Data Monetization: The Next Web3 Goldmine 1:13:17 – Example: Cars Selling Anonymous Driving Data 1:14:49 – Exchanges, Bridges & Revenue-Focused Infrastructure 1:15:56 – Investing in HyperBridge: Security & Bridge Revenue 1:16:34 – The Future of VC: Sustainable Projects Over Hype 1:16:52 – Closing Words & Thanks from the Interviewer

The Crypto Times

21,911 views • 1 year ago

Discussing UGC & UGM With The Cofounder of Youtube I hung down with steve chen, the co-founder of Youtube to discuss the key ideas of user generated content & user generated money. Steve, being the cofounder of Youtube, has obviously been one of the key pioneers of user generated content, playing a large part in creating the world as we know it. I recently floated the idea of all crypto, including bitcoin and your fav memecoin can basically be understood as user generated money, in contrast to fiat, which is obviously generated by governments. What was a pleasant surprise to both of us was the enormous overlap between these 2 movements in terms of their evolution, progress and how radically they empowered the masses compared to the previous paradigms of centralized content and money. Similar to how the widespread adoption of UGC has completely changed how the modern world works, thinks and acts, we believe that UGM can eventually do the same, even if we are very much in the infancy phase right now. Take a watch! 🐈🐈 Timestamps: 03:20 - Why The Real Value of YouTube Was Created By Its Users 04:30 - User Generated Content (UGC) and User Generated Money (UGM) 10:14 - Welcoming YouTube´s Founder Steve Chen to Web3 16:30 - The Democratization of Content 22:00 - The Real Potential of Memecoins 29:43 - What got Steve Chen Curious About Crypto 31:40 - The Story of PAJAMAS & Steve’s Learnings So Far 41:30 - Meow’s Thesis on Market Cycles 45:00 - The Similarities between Silicon Valley and Crypto 47:25 - Why isn’t Crypto “there” yet? 51:20 - Steve’s Takeaway from Crypto and Memecoins 57:39 - The Darwinian Thesis on Collaboration and Its Parallels With Crypto 58:44 - What’s next for Steve Chen in Crypto 01:00:54 - Decentralizing Incentive Alignment in Communities 01:05:29 - What Does CTO Mean in the Memecoin World ? (Spoiler: It’s not Chief Technological Officer) 01:08:13 - Meow and Steve on Trust & Value Formation in Communities 01:20:43 - The Rapid Rotation of Attention and Capital in the Memecoin World 01:26:10 - Steve's Amazing Approach to Web3 from a Community Point of View
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Discussing UGC & UGM With The Cofounder of Youtube I hung down with steve chen, the co-founder of Youtube to discuss the key ideas of user generated content & user generated money. Steve, being the cofounder of Youtube, has obviously been one of the key pioneers of user generated content, playing a large part in creating the world as we know it. I recently floated the idea of all crypto, including bitcoin and your fav memecoin can basically be understood as user generated money, in contrast to fiat, which is obviously generated by governments. What was a pleasant surprise to both of us was the enormous overlap between these 2 movements in terms of their evolution, progress and how radically they empowered the masses compared to the previous paradigms of centralized content and money. Similar to how the widespread adoption of UGC has completely changed how the modern world works, thinks and acts, we believe that UGM can eventually do the same, even if we are very much in the infancy phase right now. Take a watch! 🐈🐈 Timestamps: 03:20 - Why The Real Value of YouTube Was Created By Its Users 04:30 - User Generated Content (UGC) and User Generated Money (UGM) 10:14 - Welcoming YouTube´s Founder Steve Chen to Web3 16:30 - The Democratization of Content 22:00 - The Real Potential of Memecoins 29:43 - What got Steve Chen Curious About Crypto 31:40 - The Story of PAJAMAS & Steve’s Learnings So Far 41:30 - Meow’s Thesis on Market Cycles 45:00 - The Similarities between Silicon Valley and Crypto 47:25 - Why isn’t Crypto “there” yet? 51:20 - Steve’s Takeaway from Crypto and Memecoins 57:39 - The Darwinian Thesis on Collaboration and Its Parallels With Crypto 58:44 - What’s next for Steve Chen in Crypto 01:00:54 - Decentralizing Incentive Alignment in Communities 01:05:29 - What Does CTO Mean in the Memecoin World ? (Spoiler: It’s not Chief Technological Officer) 01:08:13 - Meow and Steve on Trust & Value Formation in Communities 01:20:43 - The Rapid Rotation of Attention and Capital in the Memecoin World 01:26:10 - Steve's Amazing Approach to Web3 from a Community Point of View

meow

73,636 views • 1 year ago

Bitcoin has already won as Digital Capital. The next wave is Digital Credit, Digital Money, Digital Yield, and Bitcoin-backed capital markets — products that can bring trillions of dollars of traditional credit and money market capital onto Bitcoin. My interview with Cointelegraph at BTC Prague. 00:57 — Bitcoin in a drawdown: five major pullbacks in six years, stronger fundamentals, and rising dominance 02:23 — Digital Credit: from zero to an $11B+ asset class in 12 months 03:35 — Digital Money: bitcoin-backed yieldcoins and the path from 40 vol to 0 vol 04:31 — The opportunity for 8% yield in dollars, euros, yen, pounds, and francs 06:02 — $300T of credit, $30–50T of money markets, and the $10T opportunity for Bitcoin 07:19 — Why Bitcoin is winning economically, technically, and ethically 08:26 — Quantum computing, FUD, and why bear markets amplify Bitcoin debates 10:37 — AI capital rotation, Bitcoin’s current drawdown, and the path to recovery 11:36 — Six years of Strategy: why I would have moved faster into Digital Credit 12:22 — The ideal Bitcoin Treasury Company: common equity plus STRC-style Digital Credit 14:35 — The 32 BTC sale, the $100M bitcoin buyback, and why capital must back credit 17:02 — Defending the equity, credit, and bitcoin-backed capital structure 19:03 — The tradeoff: buy 200,000 BTC and sell 10,000 BTC — or buy and sell zero 20:15 — “Never sell,” Twitter trolls, and Strategy’s fiduciary obligations 22:06 — Bitcoin per share, long-term accretion, and accumulating through bull and bear markets 22:34 — $21B of equity raised in 16 weeks and ~$10B of bitcoin acquired this year 24:18 — The Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, US leadership, and supportive regulation 27:18 — Digital Credit, bank credit, and Digital Money bringing trillions onto Bitcoin 28:01 — Why Bitcoin can grow organically without central bank support
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Bitcoin has already won as Digital Capital. The next wave is Digital Credit, Digital Money, Digital Yield, and Bitcoin-backed capital markets — products that can bring trillions of dollars of traditional credit and money market capital onto Bitcoin. My interview with Cointelegraph at BTC Prague. 00:57 — Bitcoin in a drawdown: five major pullbacks in six years, stronger fundamentals, and rising dominance 02:23 — Digital Credit: from zero to an $11B+ asset class in 12 months 03:35 — Digital Money: bitcoin-backed yieldcoins and the path from 40 vol to 0 vol 04:31 — The opportunity for 8% yield in dollars, euros, yen, pounds, and francs 06:02 — $300T of credit, $30–50T of money markets, and the $10T opportunity for Bitcoin 07:19 — Why Bitcoin is winning economically, technically, and ethically 08:26 — Quantum computing, FUD, and why bear markets amplify Bitcoin debates 10:37 — AI capital rotation, Bitcoin’s current drawdown, and the path to recovery 11:36 — Six years of Strategy: why I would have moved faster into Digital Credit 12:22 — The ideal Bitcoin Treasury Company: common equity plus STRC-style Digital Credit 14:35 — The 32 BTC sale, the $100M bitcoin buyback, and why capital must back credit 17:02 — Defending the equity, credit, and bitcoin-backed capital structure 19:03 — The tradeoff: buy 200,000 BTC and sell 10,000 BTC — or buy and sell zero 20:15 — “Never sell,” Twitter trolls, and Strategy’s fiduciary obligations 22:06 — Bitcoin per share, long-term accretion, and accumulating through bull and bear markets 22:34 — $21B of equity raised in 16 weeks and ~$10B of bitcoin acquired this year 24:18 — The Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, US leadership, and supportive regulation 27:18 — Digital Credit, bank credit, and Digital Money bringing trillions onto Bitcoin 28:01 — Why Bitcoin can grow organically without central bank support

Michael Saylor

261,361 views • 1 month ago

The FED’s Only Crypto Exchange Is Buying 15% Of One Altcoin The only crypto exchange the Federal Reserve let inside just bet its whole strategy on one altcoin. Everything we break down lives inside the community, link in bio, one dollar a month. Kraken is the first and only crypto native company in history to hold a Federal Reserve master account. That is direct access to the core payment system that moves money between every major bank in America, a door that was only open to traditional banks for 100 years. So when a company wired straight into the Fed makes a move, you pay attention. Here is the move. Kraken is in talks to buy 15 percent of Aave, the largest DeFi lending protocol in crypto, at a 385 million dollar valuation. The most fed connected player in the game is buying a piece of one specific coin. The question is why. Kraken already put more than 100 real stocks on chain through tokenized equities, with hundreds more coming. The SEC is clearing the path with its Project Crypto initiative, letting apps list tokenized securities directly and punching a hole in a 233 year old Wall Street monopoly. Picture it: you buy stocks on chain, then borrow against them instantly through DeFi, and the protocol built to do that at scale right now is Aave. So this is the bet. Stocks move on chain, and the lending that powers all of it runs through one coin. That is why Kraken is buying the coin before the rest of the world catches up. What it means for your money: this is what the start of institutional altcoin buying actually looks like. The most connected players position quietly, before it is obvious. The only real question is whether you see it before everyone else and act on it. Follow for the moves the news skips.
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The FED’s Only Crypto Exchange Is Buying 15% Of One Altcoin The only crypto exchange the Federal Reserve let inside just bet its whole strategy on one altcoin. Everything we break down lives inside the community, link in bio, one dollar a month. Kraken is the first and only crypto native company in history to hold a Federal Reserve master account. That is direct access to the core payment system that moves money between every major bank in America, a door that was only open to traditional banks for 100 years. So when a company wired straight into the Fed makes a move, you pay attention. Here is the move. Kraken is in talks to buy 15 percent of Aave, the largest DeFi lending protocol in crypto, at a 385 million dollar valuation. The most fed connected player in the game is buying a piece of one specific coin. The question is why. Kraken already put more than 100 real stocks on chain through tokenized equities, with hundreds more coming. The SEC is clearing the path with its Project Crypto initiative, letting apps list tokenized securities directly and punching a hole in a 233 year old Wall Street monopoly. Picture it: you buy stocks on chain, then borrow against them instantly through DeFi, and the protocol built to do that at scale right now is Aave. So this is the bet. Stocks move on chain, and the lending that powers all of it runs through one coin. That is why Kraken is buying the coin before the rest of the world catches up. What it means for your money: this is what the start of institutional altcoin buying actually looks like. The most connected players position quietly, before it is obvious. The only real question is whether you see it before everyone else and act on it. Follow for the moves the news skips.

Alexander Lorenzo

25,234 views • 1 month ago

"This really does feel like a silent IPO." James Seyffart (James Seyffart) is the ETF analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence. Spent his career inside the machine that tracks every dollar flowing through US ETFs. Predicted the spot Bitcoin ETF approval timing months before Wall Street consensus. Now tracking what advisors are actually doing, not what they're saying. "Q1 2026 was the most successful quarter Bitwise ever had. Selling Bitcoin ETFs to wealth advisors. Despite the price not doing well at all." We cover: — Why advisors loaded up on Bitcoin while retail was selling — The "silent IPO" frame: ETFs in, MicroStrategy in, retail out, and what happens when that flips — Why the Iran weekend was the real Bitcoin turning point nobody talked about — The Facebook moment thesis: why ETF growth keeps compounding even as crypto-native traders lose interest — Six years ago people asked if Bitcoin would be banned, what changed in DC — Why gold ETFs went from $130B to $300B+ and what that means for the next BTC leg — The basket ETF and prediction market ETF wave coming through SEC pipeline right now — Why James can't be more bullish than he is on ETF structure and the inflow numbers backing it up — Which wealth advisors are now writing Bitcoin into 60/40 portfolios as a structural allocation — The Clarity Act window and why his colleague has never put odds below 60% Thanks to James for joining us again on New Era Finance Podcast. Highlights: 00:00 - Intro 02:13 - The Iran Moment Shock 02:33 - Bitwise's Best Quarter Ever 03:34 - Crypto's Inverse Adoption Curve 12:08 - Tokenization & The Stablecoin Cliff 20:00 - Gold ETFs vs Bitcoin ETFs 21:00 - Six Years Ago vs Now 24:48 - The Gold Bull Run Explained 30:15 - Basket ETFs Coming 32:50 - Clarity Act Odds 33:40 - Why ETF Inflows Hit New ATHs 36:08 - The Silent IPO Frame
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"This really does feel like a silent IPO." James Seyffart (James Seyffart) is the ETF analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence. Spent his career inside the machine that tracks every dollar flowing through US ETFs. Predicted the spot Bitcoin ETF approval timing months before Wall Street consensus. Now tracking what advisors are actually doing, not what they're saying. "Q1 2026 was the most successful quarter Bitwise ever had. Selling Bitcoin ETFs to wealth advisors. Despite the price not doing well at all." We cover: — Why advisors loaded up on Bitcoin while retail was selling — The "silent IPO" frame: ETFs in, MicroStrategy in, retail out, and what happens when that flips — Why the Iran weekend was the real Bitcoin turning point nobody talked about — The Facebook moment thesis: why ETF growth keeps compounding even as crypto-native traders lose interest — Six years ago people asked if Bitcoin would be banned, what changed in DC — Why gold ETFs went from $130B to $300B+ and what that means for the next BTC leg — The basket ETF and prediction market ETF wave coming through SEC pipeline right now — Why James can't be more bullish than he is on ETF structure and the inflow numbers backing it up — Which wealth advisors are now writing Bitcoin into 60/40 portfolios as a structural allocation — The Clarity Act window and why his colleague has never put odds below 60% Thanks to James for joining us again on New Era Finance Podcast. Highlights: 00:00 - Intro 02:13 - The Iran Moment Shock 02:33 - Bitwise's Best Quarter Ever 03:34 - Crypto's Inverse Adoption Curve 12:08 - Tokenization & The Stablecoin Cliff 20:00 - Gold ETFs vs Bitcoin ETFs 21:00 - Six Years Ago vs Now 24:48 - The Gold Bull Run Explained 30:15 - Basket ETFs Coming 32:50 - Clarity Act Odds 33:40 - Why ETF Inflows Hit New ATHs 36:08 - The Silent IPO Frame

New Era Finance Podcast

145,056 views • 2 months ago

"I haven't seen a real new idea in trading in at least 15 years." Tom Costello (Tom Coste) ran money at Tudor, Moore Capital, and Caxton. Built one of the first NLP-driven equity systems in 2003. 20 years managing capital, never had a down year. "Comparing what a retail trader does to what a quantitative hedge fund does is like comparing driving a bus on the New Jersey Turnpike to winning a Formula One race." We cover: - His hot take: no genuinely new trading idea in 15 years — only better people doing the same things faster - Why everyone in quant finance is a genius — and why that makes you ordinary, not special - Crypto is "super smart guys cosplaying at finance" — built for retail, which is exactly why it's the easiest money in finance right now - Why AGI won't beat the hedge fund industry — all the readily-capturable alpha is already captured - The status trap: why the path that made Paul Tudor Jones a billionaire won't work for the kid trying to copy it in 2026 - His friend the investment banker who'd quit it all to run a 10-employee ambulance supply company worth $150M - Why excitement is "wildly overbid" in finance — and why wanting an exciting trading job is itself a disqualifier - The most honest end of the financial industry — and why the media has it exactly backwards Thanks so much to Tom for coming on Odds on Open! Highlights: 00:00 Intro 01:18 Building institutional credibility for early-stage managers 03:01 The Pareto distribution of hedge fund returns 04:25 Applying the Unified Field Theory of Finance to fair value 08:14 Trading against human incentives in a deterministic market 13:54 Why allocators don’t steal alpha from prospective PMs 25:16 Evaluating career edge in quantitative finance for 2026 30:48 Paul Tudor Jones and the art of game selection 33:42 Analyzing the economic viability of starting a new fund 35:16 Identifying common retail pitfalls: Mean reversion and arbitrage 38:55 Why there hasn't been a new trading idea in 15 years 50:33 Managing tail risk: Physics vs. deterministic financial distributions 59:10 Career pathing for PMs after a fund blow-up 1:07:53 SBF and FTX: Credibility vs. the "Founder-Genius" archetype 1:13:44 Establishing proof-of-concept through audited multi-year returns
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"I haven't seen a real new idea in trading in at least 15 years." Tom Costello (Tom Coste) ran money at Tudor, Moore Capital, and Caxton. Built one of the first NLP-driven equity systems in 2003. 20 years managing capital, never had a down year. "Comparing what a retail trader does to what a quantitative hedge fund does is like comparing driving a bus on the New Jersey Turnpike to winning a Formula One race." We cover: - His hot take: no genuinely new trading idea in 15 years — only better people doing the same things faster - Why everyone in quant finance is a genius — and why that makes you ordinary, not special - Crypto is "super smart guys cosplaying at finance" — built for retail, which is exactly why it's the easiest money in finance right now - Why AGI won't beat the hedge fund industry — all the readily-capturable alpha is already captured - The status trap: why the path that made Paul Tudor Jones a billionaire won't work for the kid trying to copy it in 2026 - His friend the investment banker who'd quit it all to run a 10-employee ambulance supply company worth $150M - Why excitement is "wildly overbid" in finance — and why wanting an exciting trading job is itself a disqualifier - The most honest end of the financial industry — and why the media has it exactly backwards Thanks so much to Tom for coming on Odds on Open! Highlights: 00:00 Intro 01:18 Building institutional credibility for early-stage managers 03:01 The Pareto distribution of hedge fund returns 04:25 Applying the Unified Field Theory of Finance to fair value 08:14 Trading against human incentives in a deterministic market 13:54 Why allocators don’t steal alpha from prospective PMs 25:16 Evaluating career edge in quantitative finance for 2026 30:48 Paul Tudor Jones and the art of game selection 33:42 Analyzing the economic viability of starting a new fund 35:16 Identifying common retail pitfalls: Mean reversion and arbitrage 38:55 Why there hasn't been a new trading idea in 15 years 50:33 Managing tail risk: Physics vs. deterministic financial distributions 59:10 Career pathing for PMs after a fund blow-up 1:07:53 SBF and FTX: Credibility vs. the "Founder-Genius" archetype 1:13:44 Establishing proof-of-concept through audited multi-year returns

Ethan Kho

1,186,988 views • 3 months ago