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Tokenization is no longer a back-office experiment. It’s the front office. Sandy Kaul from Franklin Templeton Digital Assets and Ian De Bode from Ondo Finance join our Stateful podcast, hosted by Franklin Bi. In this episode, they discuss how capital markets are coming onchain: - 100% of Franklin Templeton’s...

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