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🇺🇸🇮🇷 INTERVIEW: HEATED DEBATE ON WHETHER THE U.S. SHOULD STRIKE IRAN Tensions are rising fast, military options are on the table, and the debate over deterrence versus escalation is reaching a boiling point. NYT Best Seller Joel Rosenberg argues Iran has spent decades funding armed proxy groups that kill...

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