Martin Scorsese on why plot doesn't matter "Marty said many times that plot is irrelevant to him. He wants to follow the soul of that certain character and all the plot mechanics or how things work out are sort of secondary." "You take a film like Vertigo. The plot... if you just read the plot is absurd. But why do you keep watching it? There's something else going on and we're looking for that something else constantly." "It's very hard to find a partner that could do that with you. So I've been very very very fortunate." This is the entire Scorsese-DiCaprio partnership in three lines 🔥show more

Vertigo had a legendary plot. The plot:

Scorsese's movies are not really as absurd or abstract as he and his fans claim them to be. May be a few (like parts of Hugo and Aviator) but overall he's only a good storyteller.

Except THE DEPARTED. That film works because of plotting.

ft: @TIME | Leonardo DiCaprio & Martin Scorsese

The problem with this thinking is that nearly every genius filmmaker is half vibes. That's the magic of cinema. That doesn't really work in narrative outside film.

Coppola disagrees.

Yes I think execution is way more important than plot, a movie can be about anything but if it’s executed poorly it’s no good and vice versa. Oscars blow because their criteria is the opposite where what a film is about is more important than execution.

No wonder his last 3 movies have been so fucking boring

What utter nonsense. Not much beats a GOOD STORY. How's about a good story with interesting characters-is that hard?

Killers of the Flower Moon was the worst movie ever. Dnf

A director with no personal style or vision or cinematic world, says he wants neither plot. His only film that stands is Taxi Driver because of Schrader's script. He made a career as a protegee of the system, now he is ready to accept studios's diving into complete void with AI.

I'm of the opinion that both mutually benefit the other. You think of a basic plot or concept, fill it with characters, and tinker with them both until they are interlinked

And what does it mean "do not have a plot" or that the plot doesn't matter? Like, when you follow the soul of certain character, that is the fucking plot

@prempyne

I don't know, it's kind of like they just say stuff. Hitchcock's films having excellent plots wrapped in a special magic unique to his mind, eye, and experience. scorsese has syncophants, and then the general public that he bores to death

Leo still overacts; he needs to reach the point where Pitt is and stop doing that.

Hmmm

The great Howard Hawks also believed that atmosphere and character are much more important plot.

Scorsese agrees with me that Vertigo is terrible. That’s what I’m taking from this.

NGL you already said it, it scorsese-DiCaprio partnership in three lines

Ha puesto como ejemplo a Hitchcock, y al inglés jamás se le notó ese truco... Sorry, a Scorsese no le funcionó jamás y menos en sus últimas producciones...

Plot emotions

Seems like Leo is on this tour of disinfo on how a movie is easy to make. It’s also possible that he disassociates so much he doesn’t remember what he was doing the weeks he was on set. And, Marty just wants to be as “cool” and fawned over as Leo and goes along with it.

That's why he makes character driven movies.

Scorsese and Hitchcock both suck

sorry... marty, but you're wrong. your example of Vertigo was a false equivalency... I can name a dozens of films that are NOT visual, or cinematic, but are immutably re-watchable solely because of 'Plot. what you are saying is... that 'Plot' doesn't matter to you in your films, and that is why your films, in this modern era, suck.