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On Counterweight, Judge Glock explained that much of the data center panic is rooted in them seeming alien. If you poll people on why they don’t want one in their town, a lot of is out-of-date at best. "They’ll drink all the water. They’ll use up all the electricity."... show more

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Sen. Husted blames his constituents for record number of data centers in Ohio: "We just have to realize we're in this world in which we've created the demand. We the people have created the demand for these data centers because we use all of these digital products that it processes, and if we don't want them, then don't use them. I mean, you can go back to the bunny ear antenna on your TV, you don't need a data center. But if you're connected to a wire, you're using the data center. So, understand, when we look in the mirror, we are the problem."

Sen. Husted blames his constituents for record number of data centers in Ohio: "We just have to realize we're in this world in which we've created the demand. We the people have created the demand for these data centers because we use all of these digital products that it processes, and if we don't want them, then don't use them. I mean, you can go back to the bunny ear antenna on your TV, you don't need a data center. But if you're connected to a wire, you're using the data center. So, understand, when we look in the mirror, we are the problem."

Aaron Rupar

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We need the data centers. We have to win the AI race. My guest for episode 5 of Counterweight is Manhattan Institute's Judge Glock. This spring he wrote about Loudoun County, VA in City Journal. Loudoun, one of the richest counties in America, with a median household income of around $170,000, has become the unlikely center of a new data center-based industrial revolution. And it's not just Loudoun. Data center construction is up about twenty times nationwide in three years, leading to an enormous political backlash. New York State imposed a moratorium on data center construction, and even Republican Greg Abbott of Texas has put a temporary pause in place. Meanwhile, speaking for myself, I’ve seen a ton of fear-mongering about them, with very little in the way of clear explanation of what the costs and benefits are and what they mean for the localities that might bring them in. I've brought Judge on to walk through in granular detail how data centers work, how Loudoun County became ground zero for the data center boom, and the recent pushback against data centers. We also talk about the unfortunate habit that AI CEOs have of seeming like the gloomiest people in the world in relation to the products they are trying to sell.

We need the data centers. We have to win the AI race. My guest for episode 5 of Counterweight is Manhattan Institute's Judge Glock. This spring he wrote about Loudoun County, VA in City Journal. Loudoun, one of the richest counties in America, with a median household income of around $170,000, has become the unlikely center of a new data center-based industrial revolution. And it's not just Loudoun. Data center construction is up about twenty times nationwide in three years, leading to an enormous political backlash. New York State imposed a moratorium on data center construction, and even Republican Greg Abbott of Texas has put a temporary pause in place. Meanwhile, speaking for myself, I’ve seen a ton of fear-mongering about them, with very little in the way of clear explanation of what the costs and benefits are and what they mean for the localities that might bring them in. I've brought Judge on to walk through in granular detail how data centers work, how Loudoun County became ground zero for the data center boom, and the recent pushback against data centers. We also talk about the unfortunate habit that AI CEOs have of seeming like the gloomiest people in the world in relation to the products they are trying to sell.

Will Chamberlain

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Loudoun County, VA has the highest concentration of data centers anywhere in the world. Since they started being built in late 1990s the data centers have: ▪️ Provided 45% of tax revenue ▪️ Funded a $144M high school + $100M recreation center ▪️ Cut real estate taxes by $0.48 on the dollar All while taking up only 3% of land. However, the public is divided on their support for them. Isabella Redjai visited Loudoun County, to understand how the backlash to data centers has impacted the “data center capital of the world.”

Loudoun County, VA has the highest concentration of data centers anywhere in the world. Since they started being built in late 1990s the data centers have: ▪️ Provided 45% of tax revenue ▪️ Funded a $144M high school + $100M recreation center ▪️ Cut real estate taxes by $0.48 on the dollar All while taking up only 3% of land. However, the public is divided on their support for them. Isabella Redjai visited Loudoun County, to understand how the backlash to data centers has impacted the “data center capital of the world.”

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MoistCr1TiKaL comes out strongly against data centers in recent video and ponders if they're making people sicker due to hoarding clean water "AI data centers are actually the boogeyman..a scourge on this planet and a stain on civilized society..no normal ppl with functioning frontal lobes want data centers in their community, it is bad for them" "I've been getting conspiratorial..I was reading something that someone was sharing about like when a AI data center came through, and the impact it had on their water, cause that's a very common thing" "I'm not fully bought into it..but it's an interesting theory..what if the reason there's been seemingly so much more sickness, like it feels like ppl are getting sick more frequently now and a wide variety of illnesses just seem more common..what if AI data centers are hoarding all of the clean water..what if all the clean water is being diverted to the AI data centers and the normal civilians are just getting the sludge runoff..I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility..they are evil enough to do that" (Via penguinz0 on YT)

MoistCr1TiKaL comes out strongly against data centers in recent video and ponders if they're making people sicker due to hoarding clean water "AI data centers are actually the boogeyman..a scourge on this planet and a stain on civilized society..no normal ppl with functioning frontal lobes want data centers in their community, it is bad for them" "I've been getting conspiratorial..I was reading something that someone was sharing about like when a AI data center came through, and the impact it had on their water, cause that's a very common thing" "I'm not fully bought into it..but it's an interesting theory..what if the reason there's been seemingly so much more sickness, like it feels like ppl are getting sick more frequently now and a wide variety of illnesses just seem more common..what if AI data centers are hoarding all of the clean water..what if all the clean water is being diverted to the AI data centers and the normal civilians are just getting the sludge runoff..I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility..they are evil enough to do that" (Via penguinz0 on YT)

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This is only part of his answer but listen to how Governor Cox describes people who are genuinely opposed to data centers You are people “who are against virtually everything” who have “destroyed our country, our industrial base, our mining base, our housing base” I’ve talked to lots of people who oppose data centers. They don’t oppose all development. They oppose date centers because, for example, they don’t understand why there is water for data centers but not farmers. The overall question is whether this is a good use of resources? My view is no and that is based on my research. They suck massive amounts of water and power, and create noise and light pollution for very few jobs. Our elected officials are pushing these for their big donors. Unfortunately, the only way to stop them is to vote people out who approve them.

This is only part of his answer but listen to how Governor Cox describes people who are genuinely opposed to data centers You are people “who are against virtually everything” who have “destroyed our country, our industrial base, our mining base, our housing base” I’ve talked to lots of people who oppose data centers. They don’t oppose all development. They oppose date centers because, for example, they don’t understand why there is water for data centers but not farmers. The overall question is whether this is a good use of resources? My view is no and that is based on my research. They suck massive amounts of water and power, and create noise and light pollution for very few jobs. Our elected officials are pushing these for their big donors. Unfortunately, the only way to stop them is to vote people out who approve them.

GOUD Maragani

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John: There is a lot of opposition to building in America, broadly. That's just the nature of our society. I was thinking about, what do Americans want to build? Because it's easy to look at the data center stuff and be like, "Well, everyone's against building data centers." I was reflecting on the whole reindustrialization meme this weekend. And I was thinking about the actual knock-on effects of reindustrialization — most people don't want a car factory in their town. I actually think people don't really want change. They don't want things built. Data centers are probably at the bottom of the list. They're the least popular. But people don't want stuff built, generally. There are very few things that people are like, "Yeah, I'd be down for that to be built." People like the status quo. They're happy with things as they are. And they don't like change. People block home construction all the time. Also, permitting and expansion of existing homes. I'm not saying that they're as unpopular as data centers. Data centers are at the bottom. But new housing in communities is like razor's edge. I do think there's an element of like, Americans don't want to build anything.

John: There is a lot of opposition to building in America, broadly. That's just the nature of our society. I was thinking about, what do Americans want to build? Because it's easy to look at the data center stuff and be like, "Well, everyone's against building data centers." I was reflecting on the whole reindustrialization meme this weekend. And I was thinking about the actual knock-on effects of reindustrialization — most people don't want a car factory in their town. I actually think people don't really want change. They don't want things built. Data centers are probably at the bottom of the list. They're the least popular. But people don't want stuff built, generally. There are very few things that people are like, "Yeah, I'd be down for that to be built." People like the status quo. They're happy with things as they are. And they don't like change. People block home construction all the time. Also, permitting and expansion of existing homes. I'm not saying that they're as unpopular as data centers. Data centers are at the bottom. But new housing in communities is like razor's edge. I do think there's an element of like, Americans don't want to build anything.

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Famous Yellowstone Actor Mo Brings Plenty speaks at his city council meeting to oppose a proposed Data Center The proposed data center is the Piqua project in Ohio. It’s a hyperscale data center that is estimated to use up to 2 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY There are also multiple more proposed data centers in the area, including one by Amazon Web Services Yellowstone Actor Mo Brings Plenty urges the city council to do the right thing and say no because of water concerns. He says he knows they’re in a tough position, but they ran for that position The amount of data centers being built in America is way out of control

Famous Yellowstone Actor Mo Brings Plenty speaks at his city council meeting to oppose a proposed Data Center The proposed data center is the Piqua project in Ohio. It’s a hyperscale data center that is estimated to use up to 2 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY There are also multiple more proposed data centers in the area, including one by Amazon Web Services Yellowstone Actor Mo Brings Plenty urges the city council to do the right thing and say no because of water concerns. He says he knows they’re in a tough position, but they ran for that position The amount of data centers being built in America is way out of control

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🚨 JUST IN: JD Vance helps to clarify President Trump's stance on data centers, highlighting his desire for data centers to put power BACK into the grid "I think probably 99% of the backlash to data centers has come in areas where building a data center means higher utility and higher electricity for the people on the ground." "If you build a data center, you should be putting power back into the grid, not taking it out, and if that is happening, I don't think the data centers are that controversial."

🚨 JUST IN: JD Vance helps to clarify President Trump's stance on data centers, highlighting his desire for data centers to put power BACK into the grid "I think probably 99% of the backlash to data centers has come in areas where building a data center means higher utility and higher electricity for the people on the ground." "If you build a data center, you should be putting power back into the grid, not taking it out, and if that is happening, I don't think the data centers are that controversial."

Nick Sortor

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Vance: Everybody didn't understand how this New York billionaire could have such connection to Christian conservatives in the heartland, and I think if you know the Christian conservatives and you know the president, it's not all that bizarre. They are the most welcoming people in the world. They don't judge you based on superficial characteristics, they care about what is on the inside. That is one of the great lessons and examples of Christianity

Vance: Everybody didn't understand how this New York billionaire could have such connection to Christian conservatives in the heartland, and I think if you know the Christian conservatives and you know the president, it's not all that bizarre. They are the most welcoming people in the world. They don't judge you based on superficial characteristics, they care about what is on the inside. That is one of the great lessons and examples of Christianity

Acyn

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Sam Altman explains how little water AI uses. "For every 38,000 ChatGPT queries, that is the same amount of water that is used in the production of a single almond in California. It is true that data centers at one point used evaporative cooling, but they have not done that in a long time. If you look at a modern, very large data center, it uses the equivalent amount of water as an office building, in terms of people running the sinks, toilets, and whatever." ---- From "Sources Podcast and Alex Heath (Alex Heath )" YouTube channel, (full video link in comment)

Sam Altman explains how little water AI uses. "For every 38,000 ChatGPT queries, that is the same amount of water that is used in the production of a single almond in California. It is true that data centers at one point used evaporative cooling, but they have not done that in a long time. If you look at a modern, very large data center, it uses the equivalent amount of water as an office building, in terms of people running the sinks, toilets, and whatever." ---- From "Sources Podcast and Alex Heath (Alex Heath )" YouTube channel, (full video link in comment)

Rohan Paul

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Tenants of a small town in Pennsylvania are fighting a data center invasion that could evict them from their homes. Archbald, PA is home to just 7,000 people, but developers want to build 51 giant data centers there — taking over 14% of the entire town and a major power line.

Tenants of a small town in Pennsylvania are fighting a data center invasion that could evict them from their homes. Archbald, PA is home to just 7,000 people, but developers want to build 51 giant data centers there — taking over 14% of the entire town and a major power line.

More Perfect Union

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I don't think people understand that one of the biggest real-world use cases for Crypto it is happening - right now. FedEx, just sat down with Mance Harmon of $HBAR and explained why they chose Hedera to track millions of packages a day, to 220 countries. Dale Christie, Blockchain Strategist at FedEx said in 2018, FedEx tried building its own blockchain... But it wouldn’t scale so they chose Hedera. Why? Every package generates hundreds - sometimes thousands - of data points, and Hedera enables the key facts to move through customs at the speed of data, not paper. “When you are a trusted shipper and I am a trusted receiver… that data can move through customs at the speed of data and keep it moving.” One of the largest logistics companies in the world just publicly said Hedera is the foundation they’re building on. Hedera is the most undervalued token imo. and this is one of the biggest use cases Crypto's ever seen.

I don't think people understand that one of the biggest real-world use cases for Crypto it is happening - right now. FedEx, just sat down with Mance Harmon of $HBAR and explained why they chose Hedera to track millions of packages a day, to 220 countries. Dale Christie, Blockchain Strategist at FedEx said in 2018, FedEx tried building its own blockchain... But it wouldn’t scale so they chose Hedera. Why? Every package generates hundreds - sometimes thousands - of data points, and Hedera enables the key facts to move through customs at the speed of data, not paper. “When you are a trusted shipper and I am a trusted receiver… that data can move through customs at the speed of data and keep it moving.” One of the largest logistics companies in the world just publicly said Hedera is the foundation they’re building on. Hedera is the most undervalued token imo. and this is one of the biggest use cases Crypto's ever seen.

Mark

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SITUATION EXPLAINED: The anti-data center movement is trying to solve problems that don't exist. Adrian Dittmann: "There are a lot of misunderstandings around what exactly these things are, their environmental impact, why they even have an impact at all." "There's a neighborhood complaining about generator noise. But they actually requested the data center not connect to the local power infrastructure. So now the company has to run generators. The people complaining about the noise created the noise." "The water problem, people don't understand that these are self-contained systems and that these issues are largely 10 to 20 years old. Many of these issues do not even apply anymore." "You can even look this up yourself. The price for electricity because of data center construction has actually gone down because it has forced the energy companies to actually improve the infrastructure, improve the power grid." "Same thing happened with EVs. They said if there's gonna be a million EVs, there's going to be a collapse of the energy infrastructure. You have millions of EVs now. Nothing collapsed."

SITUATION EXPLAINED: The anti-data center movement is trying to solve problems that don't exist. Adrian Dittmann: "There are a lot of misunderstandings around what exactly these things are, their environmental impact, why they even have an impact at all." "There's a neighborhood complaining about generator noise. But they actually requested the data center not connect to the local power infrastructure. So now the company has to run generators. The people complaining about the noise created the noise." "The water problem, people don't understand that these are self-contained systems and that these issues are largely 10 to 20 years old. Many of these issues do not even apply anymore." "You can even look this up yourself. The price for electricity because of data center construction has actually gone down because it has forced the energy companies to actually improve the infrastructure, improve the power grid." "Same thing happened with EVs. They said if there's gonna be a million EVs, there's going to be a collapse of the energy infrastructure. You have millions of EVs now. Nothing collapsed."

MTS

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Putin: "The thing is that we have a lot of friends everywhere - in the west, in the east, in the north, in the south. All over the world. And we have far more friends than people who don't really understand us. There are people who are in the so-called 'West,' which you mentioned, and there are people who don't understand Russia."

Putin: "The thing is that we have a lot of friends everywhere - in the west, in the east, in the north, in the south. All over the world. And we have far more friends than people who don't really understand us. There are people who are in the so-called 'West,' which you mentioned, and there are people who don't understand Russia."

Anton Gerashchenko

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Hidden camera recording catches a data center developer in Piedmont, Oklahoma saying it doesn’t matter if residents oppose his data center project The reason their city was chosen was because of the power infrastructure they need, resident outrage doesn’t matter Resident “I mean, but the citizens here are telling you that they don't want you here. Do, do you like going to communities where you're not really wanted?” Developer “Um, we work in a lot of different communities and have a lot of different reactions” (obviously negative reactions) Resident “But these people are clearly showing you that they don't want you here. So do you not think that when a citizens in a, in a community shows you that they don't want you here in their town, that maybe you should look to go locate your business elsewhere?” Developer “We look for strong spots on the grid, and that's what we have here” Resident “So you're just basically here not because you like the city of Piedmont, but because you like the power infrastructure and things like that?” Developer “The power infrastructure is very good” They openly admit they don’t care about the residents, they don’t care about the town or the issues the data center will cause, they are here for the power

Hidden camera recording catches a data center developer in Piedmont, Oklahoma saying it doesn’t matter if residents oppose his data center project The reason their city was chosen was because of the power infrastructure they need, resident outrage doesn’t matter Resident “I mean, but the citizens here are telling you that they don't want you here. Do, do you like going to communities where you're not really wanted?” Developer “Um, we work in a lot of different communities and have a lot of different reactions” (obviously negative reactions) Resident “But these people are clearly showing you that they don't want you here. So do you not think that when a citizens in a, in a community shows you that they don't want you here in their town, that maybe you should look to go locate your business elsewhere?” Developer “We look for strong spots on the grid, and that's what we have here” Resident “So you're just basically here not because you like the city of Piedmont, but because you like the power infrastructure and things like that?” Developer “The power infrastructure is very good” They openly admit they don’t care about the residents, they don’t care about the town or the issues the data center will cause, they are here for the power

Wall Street Apes

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.Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸 on the data center build-out and how America is holding itself back: "What's happening literally in the US right now county by county with the ability to build data centers is profoundly destructive." "And that's entirely domestic. And a large number of politicians are feeding that hysteria as much as they possibly can." "A lot of our leading public figures, and a lot of intellectuals, and a lot of the press, and a lot of the analysts, and the rest of it, it's just this kind of hyper paranoia about building data centers and the consequences of data centers." "This completely fake meme about water use, which is just factually not true, which is just running wild through the public discussion that somehow these data centers are basically destroying all the water, which is this completely insane idea. That factor is [such] a bigger factor holding us back than anything involving external trade." "External trade is the thing that's easy to talk about. It's all of our internal issues that are much, much more important." With Navin Girishankar CSIS Economic Security and Technology Department

.Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸 on the data center build-out and how America is holding itself back: "What's happening literally in the US right now county by county with the ability to build data centers is profoundly destructive." "And that's entirely domestic. And a large number of politicians are feeding that hysteria as much as they possibly can." "A lot of our leading public figures, and a lot of intellectuals, and a lot of the press, and a lot of the analysts, and the rest of it, it's just this kind of hyper paranoia about building data centers and the consequences of data centers." "This completely fake meme about water use, which is just factually not true, which is just running wild through the public discussion that somehow these data centers are basically destroying all the water, which is this completely insane idea. That factor is [such] a bigger factor holding us back than anything involving external trade." "External trade is the thing that's easy to talk about. It's all of our internal issues that are much, much more important." With Navin Girishankar CSIS Economic Security and Technology Department

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Erin Brockovich Warns AI Data Centers Are Draining America’s Water “Some data centers can use up to 30 million gallons of water. They’re utilizing water from the aquifers and municipal waters, so people with their own wells are reporting that their wells are running dry. They’re having to dig deeper because of these mass amounts of water that these data centers require to stay cool. People are reporting water disruptions, no water at all, low water pressure, discolored water, and utility bills going from $40 a month to $800 a month. The constant 24/7 humming and buzzing is literally driving them insane. When tens of thousands of people are experiencing the exact same thing from the exact same data centers, why are we not listening to them?” Erin Brockovich

Erin Brockovich Warns AI Data Centers Are Draining America’s Water “Some data centers can use up to 30 million gallons of water. They’re utilizing water from the aquifers and municipal waters, so people with their own wells are reporting that their wells are running dry. They’re having to dig deeper because of these mass amounts of water that these data centers require to stay cool. People are reporting water disruptions, no water at all, low water pressure, discolored water, and utility bills going from $40 a month to $800 a month. The constant 24/7 humming and buzzing is literally driving them insane. When tens of thousands of people are experiencing the exact same thing from the exact same data centers, why are we not listening to them?” Erin Brockovich

Shawn Ryan

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Data Centers are coaching their workers on how to lie to the public and their family about how Data Center water usage is actually a good thing “I work at an architecture firm that mainly does data centers, and just to give you all an idea of how out of touch the people making these things are. Today we had a meeting where we were essentially asked to defend the water usage of data centers to our friends and family in conversation at the dinner table or online. They provided them with a graph to break down water usage (included) but I’ll go over it The chart compares “domestic water usage” (toilets, sinks, etc.) for a typical-sized closed-loop data center of 600,000 gallons per year against other things of “equivalent square footage”: Cornfield: 5.85 million gallons Vineyard: 5.60 million Golf course: 5.45 million Peanut farm: 2.88 million Movie theater: 935,000 5 households: 730,000 They make the point that “Data centers aren’t the big water users you think” But that’s not really true “It's still using an incredible amount of water — and the key piece of evidence here was when someone gets pissed at a data center's water usage, ask them if they like golf. And when they say yes, let them know that a golf course uses 9 times as much water much water as a data center. That'll shut them up, because no one disapproves of golf courses using an exorbitant amount of water…” Not to mention, this is incredibly misleading The 600,000 gallons is mostly just building operations of things like sinks and bathrooms. It downplays or completely excludes the main water use, which is cooling the servers More fake propaganda

Data Centers are coaching their workers on how to lie to the public and their family about how Data Center water usage is actually a good thing “I work at an architecture firm that mainly does data centers, and just to give you all an idea of how out of touch the people making these things are. Today we had a meeting where we were essentially asked to defend the water usage of data centers to our friends and family in conversation at the dinner table or online. They provided them with a graph to break down water usage (included) but I’ll go over it The chart compares “domestic water usage” (toilets, sinks, etc.) for a typical-sized closed-loop data center of 600,000 gallons per year against other things of “equivalent square footage”: Cornfield: 5.85 million gallons Vineyard: 5.60 million Golf course: 5.45 million Peanut farm: 2.88 million Movie theater: 935,000 5 households: 730,000 They make the point that “Data centers aren’t the big water users you think” But that’s not really true “It's still using an incredible amount of water — and the key piece of evidence here was when someone gets pissed at a data center's water usage, ask them if they like golf. And when they say yes, let them know that a golf course uses 9 times as much water much water as a data center. That'll shut them up, because no one disapproves of golf courses using an exorbitant amount of water…” Not to mention, this is incredibly misleading The 600,000 gallons is mostly just building operations of things like sinks and bathrooms. It downplays or completely excludes the main water use, which is cooling the servers More fake propaganda

Wall Street Apes

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Fox Business' Darren Botelho presses VP JD Vance on the administration's push for more data centers in response to a Fox News poll showing 70% of voters don't want a data center in their area. "I've seen the same polls that you're talking about... People associate data centers with 'my neighborhood is going to get worse.' In particular, 'my power bills are going to go up.'" Vance says the solution is to build nuclear and other power plants near data centers, insisting that the broader goal is getting American industry "to build again."

Fox Business' Darren Botelho presses VP JD Vance on the administration's push for more data centers in response to a Fox News poll showing 70% of voters don't want a data center in their area. "I've seen the same polls that you're talking about... People associate data centers with 'my neighborhood is going to get worse.' In particular, 'my power bills are going to go up.'" Vance says the solution is to build nuclear and other power plants near data centers, insisting that the broader goal is getting American industry "to build again."

Fox News

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