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Prime Intellect engineer: "everyone's bragging about a million-token context. here's what they don't tell you. at 256k tokens GPT-5.5 scores 80% on retrieval. push it to a million and it drops to 36%. the model accepts the context, it just can't reason across it. people call it context rot."...

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Jeff Huber profil fotoğrafı
Jeff Huber3 ay önce

what are you talking about? Chroma published Context Rot in the summer of 2015 and everyone knows this

Carnage profil fotoğrafı
Carnage3 ay önce

))

Jeff Huber profil fotoğrafı
Jeff Huber3 ay önce

🫶🏻

Dylan Patel profil fotoğrafı
Dylan Patel3 ay önce

Jackmin the goat

Parker Settle profil fotoğrafı
Parker Settle3 ay önce

yeah, no. It's hard to use a model that has less than 400k because they go and look at my mono-repo and explode into oblivion

Francesco Hayes profil fotoğrafı
Francesco Hayes3 ay önce

I thought we’ve known this for a while now?

Tanishq Mathew Abraham, Ph.D. profil fotoğrafı
Tanishq Mathew Abraham, Ph.D.3 ay önce

yooo it's @jackminong

Gerard Sans | Axiom 🇬🇧 profil fotoğrafı
Gerard Sans | Axiom 🇬🇧3 ay önce

context drift is a challenge

basedfk profil fotoğrafı
basedfk3 ay önce

don't tell YC or Garry Tan about this

dhanvanth shetty profil fotoğrafı
dhanvanth shetty3 ay önce

the real bottleneck isn't context size it's context understanding 1M tokens sounds impressive but memory and retrieval are what actually make agents reliable bigger prompts won't fix bad reasoning

Ali Romman profil fotoğrafı
Ali Romman3 ay önce

Context rot is the bane of my existence and the biggest problem AI labs need to solve. Having more context is SO important, but it’s useless if the model loses 60 IQ whenever it’s near the cap.

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@unxed

Sajid AI profil fotoğrafı
Sajid AI3 ay önce

Bigger context isn't everything how well a model uses it matters far more than the headline number.

🇯🇲 profil fotoğrafı
🇯🇲3 ay önce

I have yet to use a model past 300k tokens that ddnt seem like a drooling zombie

Sponko profil fotoğrafı
Sponko3 ay önce

@willcb This was determined a year ago. It’s the better half of the Ralph loop premise all of the tokenmaxxers left out

lordfarquaad profil fotoğrafı
lordfarquaad3 ay önce

So I suppose it's a coincidence that's exactly what his company does? I'm all for more customized models, but let's not pretend every engineer needs one for decent performance at long context.

Mono_no_aware 🤖 profil fotoğrafı
Mono_no_aware 🤖3 ay önce

@_yaksan @Alex_Car12 👂

M̳x̳B̳ profil fotoğrafı
M̳x̳B̳3 ay önce

If you understand basic statistics and what an LLM is.. it makes perfect sense

Daniel Foch profil fotoğrafı
Daniel Foch3 ay önce

Purpose built niche small language models

Madhusudhanan G profil fotoğrafı
Madhusudhanan G3 ay önce

Niceeee

remy profil fotoğrafı
remy3 ay önce

i have an "Andrej Karpathy" skill and it always tell me to keep the context small :-)

Donny Donuts profil fotoğrafı
Donny Donuts3 ay önce

This is a fact that people don't like to hear. 384k is absolute max attention span.

lazerbrainzz profil fotoğrafı
lazerbrainzz3 ay önce

This is true. The thinking block of a reasoning model consumes a lot of context space itself. Sure the thinking block is generally not included in conversation history, but at least while it is reasoning it does take up context space. Of course that also says nothing about high context utilization and accuracy...

Gerard Sans | Axiom 🇬🇧 profil fotoğrafı
Gerard Sans | Axiom 🇬🇧2 ay önce

Limits of continual learning:

McBuilds profil fotoğrafı
McBuilds3 ay önce

context rot is real, but the fix isn't just continual learning. it's retrieval architecture. most agents don't need a million tokens. they need a memory layer that pulls the right 8k at the right time. bigger window is a workaround for not building the system correctly.

VA profil fotoğrafı
VA3 ay önce

@jackminong

Morgan profil fotoğrafı
Morgan3 ay önce

@willcb 🎯

StarHaze profil fotoğrafı
StarHaze3 ay önce

That is why the context file needs to be kept as small as possible, so that it does not lose any information

Sam Aeonic profil fotoğrafı
Sam Aeonic3 ay önce

was more or less common knowledge no?

Ryzm profil fotoğrafı
Ryzm3 ay önce

A million tokens sounds impressive until the model has to connect two facts 800k apart.

돈벌고영 profil fotoğrafı
돈벌고영3 ay önce

256k에서 80%, 1M에서 36%라면 컨텍스트 크기보다 ‘필요한 근거를 다시 꺼내는 검색 단계’를 따로 설계해야겠군요.

Asad Memon profil fotoğrafı
Asad Memon3 ay önce

has been a known fact for 2 years now. 1M context is a scam.

Renan profil fotoğrafı
Renan3 ay önce

The only people that benefits from large context are the inference providers

Yanming Di profil fotoğrafı
Yanming Di3 ay önce

for now, human handles experience 1 billion times better than llm handles context: we are safe

Deepak Sadulla profil fotoğrafı
Deepak Sadulla3 ay önce

That is why I have stopped using sonnet and opus 1m context models in claude.. Better to stick with the lower context models and compact automatically or when needed.. Needs a bit of reminding every now and then but much better experience.

Swarup Das profil fotoğrafı
Swarup Das3 ay önce

This is exactly why raw context window size is overhyped. Agents need memory systems + continual learning, not just bigger haystacks. Great share 🔥

Pascal Bertrand profil fotoğrafı
Pascal Bertrand3 ay önce

@willcb @mixedbreadai is the only way

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