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Self Disclosure Privacy using ZK Proofs, Demonstrated & Executed Directly on Cardano Preview I built a demo where a customer buys a beer and proves they are 18 or over, without ever showing their ID. No name. No birth year. No photo. Just maths. Two beers were ordered. Two...

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Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Still learning about zk proofs, but excited to be sharing many more demo's and scenario's on Cardano when I get time :)

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TIMxBRIDGE8 个月前

Nice experiment! Could you please help me to define the roles on your model? User orders two beers …that’s easy. I like to know who is the trust registry, issuer and verifier.

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Dave8 个月前

Issuer is the authority that verified the customer's birth year and issued a cryptographic credential (e.g. a government ID office). Holder is the customer. They generate the ZK proof locally on their device, their birth year never leaves their phone. Verifier is the Plutus V3 smart contract I deployed on Cardano. It checks the Groth16 proof on-chain and only learns "age ≥ 18: yes/no", nothing else. Trust Registry is the verification key embedded in the validator. It defines which issuer's credentials are

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TIMxBRIDGE8 个月前

Thanks, Dave! What I was missing was the issuer component, and now that point is clear. Over the last few years, I’ve come across many rather wild concepts around “issuers.” But in practice, without an issuer at government level, there is very little we can do. In the EU, we also have to comply with eIDAS, which brings a broader framework and many additional requirements. That said, the tool you created is very nice. You may also want to look at It also uses ZKPs and is built modularly, which makes it possible to tailor the entire solution to the relevant use case.

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Am_Tortol8 个月前

Bro says dont judge my aiken as he changes the game 😂😂

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Defi-the-Oz8 个月前

I am joking here, but it would be funny if #cardano became the dominant chain used for bar hopping, porn web sites, and strip clubs. Maybe this is our niche.

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Haha it's true though, restrictions by age

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agus 🐦‍⬛ 🇦🇷8 个月前

👀

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Dano Finance7 个月前

Wait, so can we use this as KYC in DeFi? As long as we have a reliable handling CEX KYC now acting as Issuer we can do this easily on Cardano?

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Dave7 个月前

@DanogoFinance If there is an external party willing to validate the age then from what I understand yes. Of course this is a super basic example and is by no means a production ready implementation.

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Fiksukettu🐍8 个月前

@DjediMindTrick Hei Dave! Very nice! In layman terms does that mean that onve there has been a valid age verification “by a trusted third party “ then that wallet is verified for ever, and all it needs to show is “yup I am old enough, here is the taransaction that says I am old enough” (?)

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Dave8 个月前

@DjediMindTrick Yeah exactly this :)

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Zormtar8 个月前

@CardanoMitch Thanks for this Dave this is exactly what I've been trying to explain to people about ZK proofs

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

@CardanoMitch No worries was cool to do!

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Powered by Cardano - The Ecosystem Media Layer5 个月前

@DenicioBernier Does it still work after 5 beers?

Dave 的头像
Dave5 个月前

@DenicioBernier Works better the more beers you have :)

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Powered by Cardano - The Ecosystem Media Layer5 个月前

@DenicioBernier Alcohol induced zero knowledge

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.ZKDID® 🧠8 个月前

Nice one Dave 👏

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BatCaveNode8 个月前

Awesome work🖤🦇

Frank 的头像
Frank8 个月前

This is brilliant Dave. Exactly what Cardano was made for. Well done!

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Cheers Frank, I thought it was a good real-world use-case

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Frank8 个月前

Agreed. Asking for too much information in RWA is bugbear of mine. It's harvesting for profit. If asked for phone number, name or email when I'm buying something I either refuse or go elsewhere. I give money, they supply goods. Simple. The customer should be in control.

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Frank8 个月前

Very many transactions in Thailand, no matter what it is, bank, hotel, hospital they ask to see a passport. I have never understood why. They have enough information to verify me without this intrusion.

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Frank8 个月前

Electronic payment in some shops they ask to take a photo of the transaction from my phone! I mean. Wtaf. Then they give a paper receipt!

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

wow haha, well now it's on the blockchain :)

Frank 的头像
Frank8 个月前

Another rwa use case. Instead of scanning each item individually at checkouts we should be able to push a full trolley through a scanner that would identify its contents and give the option of instant pay or verify click to pay.

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Frank8 个月前

This would also allow instant stock check on items, reordering levels, profit margin, sales figures in real time, trends, footfall figures, the possibilities are endless without imposing on your customer. In fact making customer experience quicker, simpler and possibly cheaper

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ADSL5 个月前

Love this Dave. The verification side is exactly right — the chain only needs to know "yes" or "no." The harder problem is issuance how does the credential get created in the first place without a centralised authority holding your ID? That's what we're solving in Lovelace with Identus DID + Halo2 on-device. The proof never leaves the phone. Not even to our servers. Same end result as your beer demo, but the ID check happens once, privately, and then never again - anywhere.

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Dave5 个月前

Sounds interesting!

ADSL 的头像
ADSL5 个月前

I'll open source it asap. Intended to be anyway.

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Karl Fren8 个月前

My man

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Ace1018 个月前

Very fun

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FatFrog FFR8 个月前

Love this. Well done 👍

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Pramit8 个月前

@morganschofield Weird. This turned me on.

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GNP1 - Cardano SPO - supporting mental health7 个月前

Yes but how do they prove they are the person connected to the digital ID - I dont understand how this can work unless there is some kind of biotmetric connection to a former verification process ?

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Dave7 个月前

As mentioned this is a very basic example as a starting point to show its possible to validate on Cardano using smart contracts :) facial scanning, biometrics etc can be added to compliment this

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GNP1 - Cardano SPO - supporting mental health7 个月前

I think it is a great example and highlights the many use cases in digital identify and supply chain management etc which is where Cardano should be focussing - but one of the biggest hurdles with real world cases is that you ultimately have to have a third party trusted entity to enter the system

Dave 的头像
Dave7 个月前

Completely agree. I think this is why a lot of the privacy aspects is better suited on an institutional level. I've got some ideas on some things to try out though.

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CORN🌽7 个月前

乾杯しよう🍻

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45B - Cardano Enablement8 个月前

👏👏👏💪🚀

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Geronimo Cardano 👁️🐍8 个月前

👏

0x53s 的头像
0x53s8 个月前

Peroni - kid has good taste! Is it public on GH?

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

love a Peroni, it's all on my laptop at the mo, but I have a few more demo's planned, i'd like to attempt self disclosure of an ADA balance that exceeds a threshold possibly, and keep pushing until they get trickier, I have it formed as part of a toolkit currently

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0x53s8 个月前

WAGMI energy right here. Building through the chaos Lemme send a Peroni your way, you deserve it for keeping it real and transparent. Drop me an address ser, just a small thank you for the grind 🍻

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

We are :) appreciate it, means a lot, no need! 🍻

0x53s 的头像
0x53s8 个月前

a'right ser, cheers from the trenches 🍻

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HighestFastestStrongest8 个月前

It would be nice if you can make wallets private with selective disclosure.

Brent Norris 的头像
Brent Norris8 个月前

This is great. Really great. On the bar side, would they have an app with a qr code reader or how would that work?

Blitz Mcgee 的头像
Blitz Mcgee8 个月前

👀👀👀

BillyJ 的头像
BillyJ8 个月前

Next you should vibe code a node and show the community if it is possible or not. Take up @Quantumplation challenge

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

@Quantumplation I was actually debating attempting this, mainly for the learning opportunity, but the whole vibe code the entire thing puts me off :)

BillyJ 的头像
BillyJ8 个月前

@Quantumplation But if you can prove it’s possible imagine the effect it could have on future dev spending. Could be a huge plus for Cardano and if you prove it is not possible it would also help settle some of the drama. Win win.

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Dave8 个月前

@Quantumplation I'm already fairly sure its possible, but not to the level I would deem quality, and then getting it from that position into quality it's probably more time-consuming than coding it with the context in mind, is my opinion. :)

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Quantumplation | Pi Lanningham8 个月前

@BELTRAANC I'm fairly sure the quality bar I outlined in my challenge is *not* possible right now😅

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Quantumplation | Pi Lanningham8 个月前

@BELTRAANC In particular, we as an ecosystem don't have the tools to determine when such an implementation is "done"; We don't have a definition of what it means to *be* a compliant node. Without that an AI will *really* struggle to finish the task, even when guided by a Cardano expert.

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

@BELTRAANC Yeah exactly this

BillyJ 的头像
BillyJ8 个月前

@Quantumplation One day I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️. Shouldn’t the end goal be to make it possible though so it is easier for everyone to participate and secure the chain?

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Modulo-p8 个月前

That's amazing, great work! 🙌

Leonardo Boz 的头像
Leonardo Boz8 个月前

Nice! Are you saying midnight for zkp is overkilling? Real question, not sarcastic.

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Lots of use cases can be solved on Cardano :)

Blitz Mcgee 的头像
Blitz Mcgee8 个月前

We’ve come a long way since @IAM_X_IDENTITY inception.

Kastor 的头像
Kastor8 个月前

I think it is only possible without revealing the photo when you authenticate with your face.

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Yeah, and that is possible too :)

Kastor 的头像
Kastor8 个月前

Absolutely but if not set correctly on the phone there must an option to reveal the photo as well. It will grow in very complex way very soon. This is what I like about programable selective disclosure. It will create so many opportunities and remove so much friction. TY sir

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

Yeahh for sure, so many opportunities, lots of basic use-cases this can cover, i'm going to attempt much harder ones too I think, but with a focus of execution & interaction directly on Cardano

Kastor 的头像
Kastor8 个月前

Thank you for all that time you keep building and keep exploring. Much appreciated

Candle Kid 的头像
Candle Kid7 个月前

Does this work for Guinness?

James Mcloughlin 的头像
James Mcloughlin8 个月前

But age verified could mean different things for different verifications right? I.e social media bans/restrictions are implemented for under 16/17, whilst driving may be 18 and drinking 21 depending on the country. Doesn't something like this need to be Linked to a DID?

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James Mcloughlin8 个月前

assuming the age verification would be works once for the app, but different apps doing this would need to do the verification

The Collective Consciousness 的头像
The Collective Consciousness8 个月前

where do you store the proof of who you are ? and how the protocol know that you are the person you need to prove you are ?

Dave 的头像
Dave8 个月前

You can store it wherever you like, the protocol doesn't need to ever know who you are, this is just a basic example you can extend this with all kinds of things, facial recognition, etc

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Endeavor8 个月前

isn't better use halo2?

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