Shoulder The Burden is still by far the biggest problem in DBD specifically at high mmr. I see this perk at least once every 4 or 5 games, and it is game warping every time even if it's not used perfectly. This perk is so stupid in the hands... of coordinated, strong teams that old school Bubba facecamping is now an optimal strategy to win tough matches against good players. Total insanity.show more

“jUST dONT tUNNEL” yeah especially when coordinated swfs are slamming out gens at mach jesus but yeah let’s just 8 hook everyone!11

i’ve reached the point to where i quite literally only face shoulder swfs and it’s been the most unenjoyable experience ive had playing any game 😭 tunneling=shoulder hook spreading=getting gen rushed like genuinely what do you even do

you guess, facecamp on second hook and pray

STB change idea: Instead of 40 secs of Exposed when used, the user gets their aura revealed for 7/6/5 seconds, becomes injured (deep wounded if already injured), and gains Broken for the rest of the trial. That way, there’d be an actual tangible RISK to using it carelessly, since using it carries a tangible permanent consequence, besides just one hook state being transferred to one guy that ain’t been hooked yet. An ACTUAL burden.

@FlowersZ21 Don’t kill my favorite perk pls

@FlowersZ21 we are killing it

For real! I’m a high MMR solo queue survivor and run this perk religiously. It probably saves about 1/4 games. For me it brings my solo queue escape rate up to par with a SWF. When running it in a SWF though it’s NASTYYY

Yep I run it in solo queue too. It offsets the natural suffering of solo

It really has brought my joy for this game back in solo queue. Likewise, Last Stand has also brought my love for the game back when I do get a chance to SWF. Dropkicking a killer will never not make me scream with laughter haha. Also been loving your casting and content ❤️ ty!

quadpod made a video on shoulder the other day and I ultimately agree that there's just no version of this perk as it exists currently that will ever be balanced. being able to take an entire hook state away from a Survivor is just way too strong of an effect base level.

Looking at steam profiles mid game is just next level sad, how can someone care about a game that much.

I'm going to be honest with you my first reaction whenever someone says high mmr. You don't know where you are bhvr has never released those stats.

pretty sure I know roughly where I am since I played against the X9 500+ survivor winstreak last tuesday

To follow up on what you mentioned to me in earlier comments — does the hooktrade really offset the tunnel out if you facecamp? For example; if someone came in with shoulder with 0 hooks, and they took the trade for the surv you're camping- isn't that still pretty bad 4 killer?

it’s ultimately less bad for killer, imo. but still not amazing. buys them a lot less time

I usually skim over these long videos but Shoulder has been so much more common in my recent games it's been incredibly frustrating given my current most played killers are Bubba and Springtrap. It's been in like half my matches recently and it feels fucking awful

why r u complaining about meta perks when you’re using pain res deadman? and even turn back the clock. good for you for reading their play ig and you got the 4k anyways…

It's actually insane how the droids in this thread are actually attempting to defend shoulder

I don’t blame you bro stb gotta get nerfed

I see it way more consistently than that. For me it’s once every 2 - 3 matches.

Id put myself in mid survivor MMR with god players every now and then and this perk can completely destroy all momentum for killers, it's insane how survivors can be disingenuous about the strength of it. However i use it to go next if my teammates PMO lmao

So a perk is only a “problem” when smart survivors are using it effectively… Sorry but nobody will convince me this perk is in any way problematic. It’s a very selfless perk as applying a hook stage to yourself is the biggest downside for yourself in the game.

STB should be straight up removed from the game. Either that or the downside needs to be much more costly. Even as somebody who mains survivor, I can see how broken this perk is.

‘Observed how they played’ when u can just look at the hook states

For the past week or two, I’ve had STB in almost every match and it was the most infuriating and boring thing to go against. Not a single match was the perk used to counter “hardcore tunneling”. This perk is only used by high MMR swf’s. Honestly this perk should be gutted.

Man, okay imagine it gets balanced. Next what, you’re gonna find another “broken” survivor perk that needs to be nerfed? Like, the swf that was pro will still be PRO and will still STOMP. No matter the STB as it’s now.

5K hours 😭. Bro KnightLight Pedro XENO Zaka or any comp killer never have this issue in Pubs. Yall need to get better cause they will 4K any SWF. 😭 if you wanna get better play Ladder. Any top 500 Ladder player is 4king.

tru

imagine you have 4 gens left, 2 gens pop and you only just finally get someone on death hook, now a player comes along, uses shoulder and you no longer have that pressure of being able to kill someone, you only have 2 hook states and 2 gens left, camping gens or slugging is left

One of the biggest problems with shoulder imo is that the 40 seconds posed just doesnt do that much. You can just play safe around pallets against m1s, and exposed just doesnt work on a lot of m2 killers, so not that many killers can take advantage of it