The 20 seconds before this clip, oof ☠️

Destiny is correct and Norman is wrong here.

(Just to clarify my stance for the record, I think Israel’s actions are horrific and should be stopped immediately. I honestly don’t have a strong opinion on the claim of genocide. I don’t know enough about the specific requirements & how Israel’s actions measure up to them…

…It seems controversial even to experts on the subject. I currently lean towards the genocide view, but I need to learn much more about both Israel’s specific policies, intents, etc & the specific requirements for genocide.)

Wait, do Destiny fans think this looks good for him?

@tCARD_16 It's just very funny that Finkelstein is calling Destiny an imbecile & a moron directly after a point where Destiny is correct & Finkelstein is wrong. Sure asking him if he's read the case is a little rude, but I mean...

@tCARD_16 Engaging in 100% good faith here. Pretty sure he pronounced it correctly? Looks like the “c” might be pronounced as “ch”? Either way it’s clearly close enough that they would’ve recognized it if they knew the term. Dolus specialis seems to be a very specific type of…

@tCARD_16 …mens rea that is a determining factor in claims of genocide, so Norm was kind of right there? But clearly wrong in dismissing dolus specialis, esp so smugly, when it was an important part of the case he says he read 4x

@lisztsz @tCARD_16 No, he clearly dismisses it bc he doesn’t know what dolus specialis is. Which is fine, it’s a very specific term, but he’s just very smugly incorrect, & it raises questions about whether he read the case

Its weird that "Mr. Wikipedia" has the speciality knowledge and Finkel gets it wrong by using a layman's word. Like in theory that interaction should have been flipped.

Norm Didn’t engage with the material at all. He engages like a discord caller post more lol

I just looked it up, that’s not what mens rea means, and destiny is absolutely correct about what dolus specialis means. Just because this man is yelling at destiny doesn’t mean he’s correct, in fact he’s completely wrong lmao. And most are here saying destiny got owned

Whoa man context? What are you doing?

what would be the term for genocide without intent? like manslaughter.. would it just be mass murder?

Could go a lot of ways, ranging from collateral damage in internat’l law-abiding course of war, to absolutely heinous war crimes that just don’t meet the standard for genocide. I personally don’t know enough about it to have a well-informed strong opinion on the genocide claim

well that's good enough for me.

Are destiny fans fucking stupid? Here's the 30 seconds after where norm immediately responded to what destiny said. The fact that you said "oof ☠️"like you did something makes it all the more hilarious 😂

arguing that israel hasn’t displayed genocidal intent is genocide denial, flat and simple.

Norm really can't debate without throwing insults. It's low class. I thought his partner put on a good display though. Unfortunate that Norm ties an anchor to bring down what they are saying. Destiny and Benny did great considering how much they had to fight Norm talking over.

And Destiny was entirely wrong, as intent has been widely documented and referenced in the case. He's such a f**king clown!

Lmao yikes. Wiki Scholars up 1 baby.

It seems so strange to me that people think that this man embodies some kind of learned figure. Most educated people do not act this way. This comes across as absurdly insecure to have to constantly assert how much you know about something.

@TheOmniLiberal MR SPAGHETTI

This is 33 seconds

The last 13ish seconds of the one I posted is in the original!

Issa joke!

Lol my bad ☠️

Why don’t you upload the 30 mins he was on his iPad lmaooo

Don’t be disingenuous. Both sides here are just posting snippets they think made their side look good, since 1) nobody here watched the whole debate 2) nobody here knows the first thing about genocide from a pure international law POV, as is obvious from your own tweets as well.

I don’t care if finlelstien is right or wrong, I hate destiny and his voice enough that I’m on normans side

Mr Pirelli cant help himself but to insult his opponent in that condescending tone.

Wow so norm has no idea what he’s talking about. That’s rough

Destiny is wrong here lol. Israel specifically says over and over that it's goal is the complete elimination of Palestinians

@notsoErudite Destiny is a vile human. I’ll never consider his opinions if he is capable of saying this.

And destiny is right. Also see the clean predictably ascending casualty stats provided by Hamas

The 20 seconds before really just displayed more imbecility. He showcases that he just really doesn’t understand anything he briefly googled.

Dumb and evil sophistry. That "Intent" is the "most important part of genocide"? That nuking Gaza would not be genocide, so long as you don't say mean things about them before you do it?

All this confirms is that Destiny gets his talking points from google and wikipedia and Norm trolled him

@classicniko1 It’s hard to say but Destiny actually owned him so hard on this point. The exact document they’re talking about (that he said he read) refers to dolus specialis multiple times

Irrespective of who you side with politically or whatever, how on earth do you get hit with "please don't put on public display your imbecility" and not immediately respond with a crisp "Go fuck yourself"? the self discipline on display from Destiny is frankly superhuman.

Tried to get him with the “did you even read it” retort. You’re not debating your typical WOW streamer this time buddy. You’re talking to people with vastly more experience and knowledge on the subject than you.

as much as I support freeing Palestine and peace in the middle east, Norm Finklelstein lost this debate by far.

I lost him when he said mens rea when talking about international law

I honestly just can’t believe people take finklestein seriously. Painful to listen to, doesn’t make any affirmative claims, just tries to tear down his opponent with either bad quotes or insults.