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The most important question in tokenized finance isn't whether to tokenize. It's how. Ondo President Ian De Bode on why the wrapper model is winning, commanding 70% market share. “The wrapper token gives you full economic exposure. It's fully backed, fully bankruptcy remote, and on top of that it...

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