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This is so profoundly true and everyone needs to understand that. This is a 2011 video of James Peck, Professor of History at NYU, author of "Ideal Illusions, How the U.S. Government Co-opted Human Rights" and one of the keenest observers of China in the U.S. He explains that... show more
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He also had a fantastic response to a halfwit question about human rights in China: "you are speaking in a country [the US] that has the largest prison population in the planet, bigger than China's [...] You sometimes say 'we should follow the American model'. What's the American model? Well, find a continent that only has Indians on it that you can get rid of, develop it, become incredibly wealthy, not have foreign powers on your borders and... have the American model!"

Lastly, and I couldn't agree with this more, he explains it is a "profound misunderstanding" to believe China's market reforms "were possible without the revolution" (i.e. the Mao era). He also explains that the Western version of recent Chinese totally miss the context in 1949 when "the US [was] on Taiwan, blockading all the major cities on China that were the treaty ports and you have a 100 million people in those ports whose trade had once been with the external world and no longer can China develop in that road. It's gonna have to figure out how to develop, because of that hostility, I think significantly, a kind of revolution that turns deeply inward."

This is the video this all came from, which is an absolutely fascinating watch!

In Canada, a simple phone call from an MP (who is Chinese but also has a large Chinese constituency) to the Chinese embassy caused a national uproar as "interference in Canadian politics". To note: we know of that phone call because the embassy phones were bugged...

Perfect example

I know a student who was selected by the US embassy in india to be trained in "leadership " course in the USA .. sort of 20-30 days bootcamp. Apparently many Indians were selected. In retrospect, it was just planting their agents in the country, and perhaps illegal too.

Yes, the US do that systematically. They have vast programs to identify the next generation of elites in a country and bring them to the US for "training".

Arnaud, what you describe is not just hypothetical but it is actually happening. I don't even think that Americans who are somehow prominent anti-US government people (think Jan 6) are hanging out at the Russian or Chinese embassy soirées. They might be sympathetic to Russia and China government attitudes, but I would very much doubt they hang out at their respective embassy soirées. Yet we have full on Yellow Peril Chinese scientists and Russian everybody being followed and accused of all kinds of things (few if any getting convicted) in the US and increasingly Europe. So that is not a hypothetical, it is actually happening. But you know what makes it worse? When you actually make the argument that Russia and China are maybe just behaving like the US would behave if it was in the same situation, instead of getting the "hm, I didn't think of that, maybe you are right" you get the "but they don't have a right to behave that way. Because we are right and they are wrong. Because we are a democracy and they aren't. Because we are good and they are evil. So it is normal for us to behave that way, but they don't have a right to behave that way. We can do that to them, but they can't do that to us." Therein lies the problem.

I agree that there is some of that in the US today but it's based on pretty much non-existent interference. And my point is basically: look what's already happening with the *illusion there might be interference* and picture how much more insanely authoritarian the US would become if there was hardcore actual interference at the level of which they do it to China or Russia.

Ghosts in the Machine [produced by 4th PsyOp Group- ARMY Special Operations] points out Tienenman Square [along with Maidan, Perestroika, BLM riots and others] were C_A backed color revolutions. The short also says that era is over.
