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Tokenized SanDisk bets see more liquidations than $XRP, raising questions about the volatility 24/7 trading will bring "The most interesting part of this story is the one there in the headline. Tokenized SanDisk bets saw more liquidations than XRP." "Bitcoin had the most, then Ethereum, Solana, Zcash, Near, SanDisk,...

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More good news for XRP:

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Tokenized SNDK seeing more liquidations than XRP is nuts. Curious what you think and where @Jason_Miller__’s take lands on 24/7 stock trading. Both worth following as this unfolds.

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Leverage is moving everywhere 24/7. On Hyperliquid today ether open interest fell 3.3% in seven hours with a flat price, shorts and a 25x long both cutting. The ETH Oct 16 2,500 put on Deribit went from 35.5K OI on Friday to 8.3K.

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Tokenization may unlock access but it also means volatility never clocks out.

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sandisk out-liquidating xrp wasn’t on the weekend bingo card

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Trading around the clock doesn’t mean there’s always liquidity. Your breakdowns and @Daniel_Lawson__ analysis have me thinking harder about positions I leave open overnight.

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Volatility is inevitable

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Liquidation counts aren't the same as liquidation notional or systemic risk. For tokenized perps, depth and oracle behavior while the underlying cash market is closed may be the more useful stress test.

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weekend thinner books are going to chew people alive when traditional stuff trades 24/7

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Ben Sasse: “...and all of that dross will be gone. We are going to be around the table with our Lord, and he's going to be the center, and we're going to be sinless, and we're not going to be trying to put ourselves on the throne, because there'll be so much more joy for us in him being on the throne. And us, who would have been willing to be servants or slaves at that feast, we're going to be sons and daughters.” Ben Sasse
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Ben Sasse: “...and all of that dross will be gone. We are going to be around the table with our Lord, and he's going to be the center, and we're going to be sinless, and we're not going to be trying to put ourselves on the throne, because there'll be so much more joy for us in him being on the throne. And us, who would have been willing to be servants or slaves at that feast, we're going to be sons and daughters.” Ben Sasse

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