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When is harness optimization enough? When does post-training make sense? What will determine who becomes the new AI hyperscaler? Yash Patil, co-founder of Applied Compute, was the perfect person to discuss this and more. Yash worked on Codex at OpenAI before leaving to co-found Applied Compute with fellow OpenAI...

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Matt Turck

168,186 Aufrufe • vor 10 Monaten

My conversation with OpenAI co-founder Greg Brockman This is the most detailed first-person account of the 72 hours after Sam Altman was fired. We also go deep on what comes next: the global race to AGI, why ChatGPT stopped showing reasoning, how much of OpenAI's own code is now written by AI ("it's hard to know what percent is not"), and the untold story of how OpenAI actually started in 2015. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI 00:02:40 Building the Founding Team 00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI 00:04:54 Changing OpenAI to a For-Profit Model 00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI 00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI 00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction 00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI 00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing 00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI 00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya 00:20:28 Petition for Altman's Return 00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI 00:24:59 Lessons Learned after Sam Ousting 00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget 00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic? 00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI? 00:36:21 Do AI Chatbots Tell Us What We Want to Hear? 00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI 00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First? 00:39:49 Are Countries Stealing AI Advancements? 00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning 00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute 00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers 00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization 00:47:52 How to Decide Whose Queries to Serve 00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models 00:53:05 Data Centers in Space? 01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like? 01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship 01:04:44 AI and Job Loss 01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In 01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You? Full episode on X below. Also find it on: • YouTube: • Spotify: • Apple:
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My conversation with OpenAI co-founder Greg Brockman This is the most detailed first-person account of the 72 hours after Sam Altman was fired. We also go deep on what comes next: the global race to AGI, why ChatGPT stopped showing reasoning, how much of OpenAI's own code is now written by AI ("it's hard to know what percent is not"), and the untold story of how OpenAI actually started in 2015. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI 00:02:40 Building the Founding Team 00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI 00:04:54 Changing OpenAI to a For-Profit Model 00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI 00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI 00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction 00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI 00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing 00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI 00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya 00:20:28 Petition for Altman's Return 00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI 00:24:59 Lessons Learned after Sam Ousting 00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget 00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic? 00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI? 00:36:21 Do AI Chatbots Tell Us What We Want to Hear? 00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI 00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First? 00:39:49 Are Countries Stealing AI Advancements? 00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning 00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute 00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers 00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization 00:47:52 How to Decide Whose Queries to Serve 00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models 00:53:05 Data Centers in Space? 01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like? 01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship 01:04:44 AI and Job Loss 01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In 01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You? Full episode on X below. Also find it on: • YouTube: • Spotify: • Apple:

Shane Parrish

450,952 Aufrufe • vor 5 Monaten

Today we're announcing Base Labs, a dedicated research organization focused on advancing open-source AI. We believe in a healthy, open frontier model ecosystem. To enable this, we are working on: - Blue-sky research on continual learning, the science of RL, and how models learn across their full lifecycle, with every experiment and recipe shared openly. - The BaseHub Data Foundry: the highest-quality open RL environments, training data, and real-world benchmarks, built for anyone to train and benchmark on. - Post-post training: taking open-source models and making them better, safer, and more aligned through continual post-training, built on our research, and deployed with our frontier safety stack so organizations can use open-source models with confidence. - Making models cheaper and more performant through our model performance research. This is a mission-driven research effort, not a commercial product. We believe the health of the open-source AI ecosystem matters and that the best way to advance it is to do science in the open. We’re hiring engineers, researchers, and research fellows to advance this mission.
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Today we're announcing Base Labs, a dedicated research organization focused on advancing open-source AI. We believe in a healthy, open frontier model ecosystem. To enable this, we are working on: - Blue-sky research on continual learning, the science of RL, and how models learn across their full lifecycle, with every experiment and recipe shared openly. - The BaseHub Data Foundry: the highest-quality open RL environments, training data, and real-world benchmarks, built for anyone to train and benchmark on. - Post-post training: taking open-source models and making them better, safer, and more aligned through continual post-training, built on our research, and deployed with our frontier safety stack so organizations can use open-source models with confidence. - Making models cheaper and more performant through our model performance research. This is a mission-driven research effort, not a commercial product. We believe the health of the open-source AI ecosystem matters and that the best way to advance it is to do science in the open. We’re hiring engineers, researchers, and research fellows to advance this mission.

Base Labs

243,522 Aufrufe • vor 1 Monat

Here's my conversation with Lucas Atkins and the team at Arcee.ai on their path to training and releasing Trinity Large today. From going all in on open models built end to end in the US 6 months ago to having the model in hand is no easy feet. I loved this conversation on how to design a startup around open models and take a bold step to scale it up. I'm openly an Arcee fan, watching them take risk and pull it off. We discuss: - The state (and future) of open vs. closed models, - The business of selling open models for on-prem deployments, - The story of Arcee AI & going “all-in” on this training run, - The ATOM project, - Building frontier model training teams in 6 months, - and other great topics. I really loved this one, and think you well too. Chapters: 00:00:00 Intro: Arcee AI, Trinity Models & Trinity Large 00:08:26 Transitioning a Company to Pre-training 00:13:00 Technical Decisions: Muon and MoE 00:18:41 Scaling and MoE Training Pain 00:23:14 Post-training and RL Strategies 00:28:09 Team Structure and Data Scaling 00:31:31 The Trinity Manifesto: US Open Weights 00:42:31 Specialized Models and Distillation 00:47:12 Infrastructure and Hosting 400B 00:50:53 Open Source as a Business Moat 00:56:31 Predictions: Best Model in 2026 01:02:29 Lightning Round & Conclusions More great open model builder podcasts coming soon!
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Here's my conversation with Lucas Atkins and the team at Arcee.ai on their path to training and releasing Trinity Large today. From going all in on open models built end to end in the US 6 months ago to having the model in hand is no easy feet. I loved this conversation on how to design a startup around open models and take a bold step to scale it up. I'm openly an Arcee fan, watching them take risk and pull it off. We discuss: - The state (and future) of open vs. closed models, - The business of selling open models for on-prem deployments, - The story of Arcee AI & going “all-in” on this training run, - The ATOM project, - Building frontier model training teams in 6 months, - and other great topics. I really loved this one, and think you well too. Chapters: 00:00:00 Intro: Arcee AI, Trinity Models & Trinity Large 00:08:26 Transitioning a Company to Pre-training 00:13:00 Technical Decisions: Muon and MoE 00:18:41 Scaling and MoE Training Pain 00:23:14 Post-training and RL Strategies 00:28:09 Team Structure and Data Scaling 00:31:31 The Trinity Manifesto: US Open Weights 00:42:31 Specialized Models and Distillation 00:47:12 Infrastructure and Hosting 400B 00:50:53 Open Source as a Business Moat 00:56:31 Predictions: Best Model in 2026 01:02:29 Lightning Round & Conclusions More great open model builder podcasts coming soon!

Nathan Lambert

26,872 Aufrufe • vor 8 Monaten

A conversation with John Schulman on the first year LLMs could have been useful, building research teams, and where RL goes from here. 00:20 - Speedrunning ChatGPT 09:22 - Archetypes of research managers 11:56 - Was OpenAI inspired by Bell Labs? 16:54 - The absence of value functions 18:23 - Continual learning 21:09 - Brittle generalization 24:05 - Co-training generators and verifiers, GANs 27:06 - John’s personal use of AI for research 28:54 - Day in the life 33:01 - Slowdowns in consequential ML ideas 36:21 - "Peer review" within the labs 39:19 - Distribution shift in researchers 43:33 - Future of RL 45:33 - Will the labs coordinate if the world needs them to? 44:46 - Forecasting ills in AGI and engineering 47:53 - Thinking Machines
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A conversation with John Schulman on the first year LLMs could have been useful, building research teams, and where RL goes from here. 00:20 - Speedrunning ChatGPT 09:22 - Archetypes of research managers 11:56 - Was OpenAI inspired by Bell Labs? 16:54 - The absence of value functions 18:23 - Continual learning 21:09 - Brittle generalization 24:05 - Co-training generators and verifiers, GANs 27:06 - John’s personal use of AI for research 28:54 - Day in the life 33:01 - Slowdowns in consequential ML ideas 36:21 - "Peer review" within the labs 39:19 - Distribution shift in researchers 43:33 - Future of RL 45:33 - Will the labs coordinate if the world needs them to? 44:46 - Forecasting ills in AGI and engineering 47:53 - Thinking Machines

Michael Truell

600,553 Aufrufe • vor 9 Monaten