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Which LLMs actually love to think? Tested 7 models on 5 math problems, measured reasoning length. The think winners: both Qwen3.5 models (27B and 35B A3B) — massive overthinkers, up to 10k+ tokens on a single question. Plot twists: > Kimi K2.6 feels verbose, actually one of the leanest... show more

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I gave two MoE models the same vibe coding challenge Qwen3.6 35B A3B (31.8GB) vs Gemma4 26B A4B (23.3GB) Stack: > Unsloth Q6_K_XL > llama.cpp > Model-card recommended sampling for each 4 prompts, side-by-side. Which one do you think wins?

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"122B has to be smarter than 27B" I showed 4 UI components to three Qwen3.5 models and asked them to recreate them from a screenshot alone: - 27B (dense) - 35B-A3B (MoE) - 122B-A10B (MoE) Same screenshot. Same prompt. Same task. Which one do you think nailed it?

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Yesterday we found out Qwen3.5-27B (dense) beats both the 35B and 122B MoE variants at UI replication from screenshots. Today's question: what about Jackrong's Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-Opus-4.6-Reasoning-Distilled? A distilled 27B with Claude Opus 4.6 reasoning baked in. So I put all 3 in the ring: - Qwen3.5-27B - Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-Opus-Distilled - Claude Opus 4.6 Since the distilled model isn't multimodal, I gave all three the same detailed text prompts describing the UI components from yesterday's test.

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Qwen 3.6 35B A3B compared to Qwopus 3.6 35B A3B for web design, pretty neck and neck. Some overall good designs. All one shot, both Q8, 4 designs. rtx 6000 product page Transformers 1986 Real estate Tesla Dashboard Curious what others think. Will be doing 35B vs 27B next.

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Parameter scaling just broke in front of me. I gave 90 math problems as images to 10 local vision models, 3 runs each, only consistent answers across all 3 runs counted. Two findings: > Gemma 4 was the most consistent family, 31B took the crown at 89.6%. > But Qwen 3.5 4B came 2 answers behind it. A 4B. Ranked 2nd out of 10. Vision-math isn't one skill, it's two: reading the image, then solving it. The real lesson for anyone running local: small ≠ weak. If you're building agentic workflows, finding the right model for each task matters more than reaching for the biggest one. In this test, the 4B ran far faster because of its size, scored higher, and left VRAM free for the rest of your stack. Full results: 🥇 Gemma 4 31B — 242/270 (89.6%) 🥈 Qwen 3.5 4B — 240/270 (88.9%) 🥉 Gemma 4 E4B — 222/270 (82.2%) 🥉 Qwen 3.6 27B — 222/270 (82.2%) 5. Gemma 4 26B A4B — 216/270 (80.0%) 6. Qwen 3.5 2B — 201/270 (74.4%) 7. Gemma 4 E2B — 192/270 (71.1%) 8. Qwen 3.6 35B A3B — 192/270 (71.1%) 9. Qwen 3.5 9B — 168/270 (62.2%) 10. Qwen 3.5 0.8B — 45/270 (16.7%) All GGUF + mmproj, Unsloth's Q6_K_XL quant.

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22,882 次观看 • 1 个月前