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With just a quick look into some basic physics and logistics of putting a data center in space, the idea becomes comical. First, you have to put massive amounts of hardware, cooling systems, and power into space. Then you have to completely reengineer the data center for space. Then... show more

Peter Zeihan

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Josh VonFeldtvor 3 Monaten

Just an FYI, you don't have to pretend that everything is within your area of expertise.

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banterousbearvor 3 Monaten

You should probably let the thousands of people at SpaceX know, how could they have possibly made such a grave error. Thank god for Youtube commentators saving the day!

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Todd Wenzelvor 3 Monaten

Yeah, you’re probably right. It’s way more likely you are correct than Elon, what could he possibly know about completely redefining what is thought to be possible? It’s not like he has ever sparked the growth of new technologies that are changing the world as we know it. Seriously, he has never started and grown an innovative company other than the first online search engine combined with maps, PayPal, Tesla cars, Tesla energy, neurolink, the Boring company, SpaceX, and StarLink.

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John Baskettevor 3 Monaten

You do not know what you are talking about here. Small example, spaceX will not have habitats with people to swap failed chips. Bad chips will simplt be bipassed and if the whole statilite fails, it will be deorbitted and replaced. You don't think starlink with thousands of satilites does not know cooling. Your whole vid is just abysmally ignorant.

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Mattityahuvor 3 Monaten

Yes, we should listen to the guy with a degree in ... * checks notes * ... "Asian Studies" on this instead of the billionaire engineer and his army of engineers

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Parsec14Gvor 3 Monaten

😂 Peter... Leave the data centers to Elon for Pete's sake - sheesh.

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Andrew Downingvor 3 Monaten

I wouldn't bet against SpaceX on this one. They have all the elements in place to create a vertically integrated solution for this.

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Antipodesvor 3 Monaten

It has been years since I followed Zeihan. After the whole bitcoin going to zero thing I lost interest in what he said. But I decided to come to Zeihan's feed out of curiousity...and he is still betting against Elon Musk 😂

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David Kempvor 3 Monaten

Cooling systems??? That's the whole point of putting them in space. Just use passive radiators to transmit all the infrared energy out into the vast cold of space. The power comes from solar panels.

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Inside Lawyervor 3 Monaten

Sounds a lot like what all the traditionalists thought about the idea that Elon could invent an EV that would sell. Not completely dissimilar to what folks thought when he said he would start a rocket company and dramatically lower launch costs by reusing rockets - boy was he laughed at and dismissed by those ‘in the know’ Yeah, his Neuralink company would never work either and The Boring Company, making tunnels cost effective, that’s almost as absurd as him buying Twitter, cutting 50% of the staff and saving free speech - yeah, Elon will never be able to make data centers in space work because they’re so completely different than making the Starlink satellites work, right?

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Terry Thompsonvor 3 Monaten

There’s no way in hell I would bet against Musk. In fact, I think I might trade in my vehicle for a Tesla.

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Capital Flowsvor 3 Monaten

Thoughts ? @PhilipJohnston

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Tom Shafronvor 3 Monaten

it's wild that you think you know everything about everything

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Raspy Camper🌲vor 3 Monaten

Peter Zeihan out engineers Elon from the woods. Elon just has a bunch of crazy ideas with no track record to show for it. Glad you set him straight.

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Frickēvor 3 Monaten

I used to really like watching your videos. Your insight was fascinating. Then you caught a nasty, nasty case of EDS and I now don’t trust a word you say. Sad really.

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James Clementsvor 3 Monaten

I’m a fan Peter, but I’d defer to Elon on this topic.

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Mary Alice Bryanvor 3 Monaten

Talking to one of his liberal friends with limited knowledge. Stick to your lane!

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FkSvor 3 Monaten

Peter, you are reasoning from what's before you now. Elon will use first principles to remove every part of the process not required (either now or in space). He'll figure out new ways to do it, at a fraction of the time, cost, parts, and labor.

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Keethyforkvor 3 Monaten

You are so off base with these assumptions that every opinion you've ever shared has to be called into question.

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Edvor 3 Monaten

Let me think. Who is the smarter person, you or Elon Musk?

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TMLutasvor 3 Monaten

The number one satellite producer in the history of mankind who is also currently world dominant is on the other side of this. Can you understand their reasoning?

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Patrynvor 3 Monaten

Why is this guy always giving anti-Elon takes? His previous forays into rocket commentary have been comically uninformed, and now he wants to give Space Datacenters a go? He wants to pretend to know more about the topic than Elon? Zeihan is such a blowhard.

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Ben Rogersvor 3 Monaten

You're decent at demographics, but you fail miserably at engineering, economics, and politics. Stay in your lane.

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Davidvor 3 Monaten

Wut? Cooling systems in space....The deep space vacuum has an average temperature of about -455°F.

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Avyvor 3 Monaten

Recently you said a restart of hostilities with Iran was "completely off the table". Well? You also claimed USA couldn't have done it without NATO. Last time I checked, Arab states hosting CENTCOM aren't in NATO, and most of nato countries refused to help.

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Greg Pennefathervor 3 Monaten

To quote Yoda, “always with you it can’t be done”. Given the choice between @PeterZeihan’s opinion and @elonmusk’s on space DCs, I think I’ll stick with Elon. He has a slightly better track record.

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James, the much lesser 🦬✝️▵😼vor 3 Monaten

It's probably worth listening to the guy who has put 10,000 communication satellites in space, the one who has paid teams to figure out how to do this. Search YouTube for "Elon Musk explains how SpaceX could build AI data centers in space"

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Parsec14Gvor 3 Monaten

@elonmusk Thoughts?

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Daniel Robinsonvor 3 Monaten

Ok. You obviously know more than Elon. How does anyone take you seriously?

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Michael Babich 🇺🇦vor 3 Monaten

Isn't it clear that the whole "data centers in space" spiel was started by Elon Musk not long before SpaceX IPO to pump up the valuation? There is no economic reason for the next decade or even two to do that. Elon hustled to create a huge SpaceX IPO bump and monetize naivete.

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nekulturavor 3 Monaten

I do believe that Elon Musk is just a little bit more of an expert on space-based electronics than Peter Zeihan is. Check back in a year or two and see who’s the more comical.

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Geoff Merriganvor 3 Monaten

There is an old saying, “the person that explains why a task cannot be done should avoid disturbing the man already doing it”

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🔥RotaryPhoneTextervor 3 Monaten

There is a little Grok button up there to check your “quick look” plus don’t tell the companies that have already done it like Starcloud and Lonestar Space

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Bert Wierengavor 3 Monaten

It's f*cking cold out there, you really need cooling? Also there is no gravity, so no need to build strong enclosures.

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Astranis CEO John Gedmark calls space elevators the ultimate civilizational flex: if aliens come and find us and we don't have our space elevator up and running yet, that's embarrassing "I like space elevators. This is the idea that originally came from Arthur C. Clarke, who also was the person who came up with the idea of geosynchronous orbit." "He came up with this idea of once you build out infrastructure in that orbit, you could build this thing called a space elevator. It sounds a little crazy. Hundreds of years away, could be thousands. It does not actually violate any laws of physics. It's arguably doable with technology we have today." "The best way to think of it is you have this orbiting platform in geo, and you have a very long cable that hangs down and comes down to the surface of the earth. You anchor it, and then you could have essentially elevator cars running up and down this cable." "It completely eliminates the need for rockets at all. The cost is just the cost of the electricity to run these cable cars." "It's actually an inevitable thing. It just may be on the multi-thousand-year timescale. But we gotta do it. A space elevator is the ultimate civilizational flex. Aliens come and find us, and we don't have our space elevator up and running yet? What are we doing? We can't allow that." Christian Keil Astranis Space Technologies

Astranis CEO John Gedmark calls space elevators the ultimate civilizational flex: if aliens come and find us and we don't have our space elevator up and running yet, that's embarrassing "I like space elevators. This is the idea that originally came from Arthur C. Clarke, who also was the person who came up with the idea of geosynchronous orbit." "He came up with this idea of once you build out infrastructure in that orbit, you could build this thing called a space elevator. It sounds a little crazy. Hundreds of years away, could be thousands. It does not actually violate any laws of physics. It's arguably doable with technology we have today." "The best way to think of it is you have this orbiting platform in geo, and you have a very long cable that hangs down and comes down to the surface of the earth. You anchor it, and then you could have essentially elevator cars running up and down this cable." "It completely eliminates the need for rockets at all. The cost is just the cost of the electricity to run these cable cars." "It's actually an inevitable thing. It just may be on the multi-thousand-year timescale. But we gotta do it. A space elevator is the ultimate civilizational flex. Aliens come and find us, and we don't have our space elevator up and running yet? What are we doing? We can't allow that." Christian Keil Astranis Space Technologies

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