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1/4 LLMs solve research grade math problems but struggle with basic calculations. We bridge this gap by turning them to computers. We built a computer INSIDE a transformer that can run programs for millions of steps in seconds solving even the hardest Sudokus with 100% accuracy

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Andrej Karpathyvor 6 Monaten

Wait this is so awesome!! Both 1) the C compiler to LLM weights and 2) the logarithmic complexity hard-max attention and its potential generalizations. Inspiring!

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

2/4 The key limitation of LLMs is that standard attention is too slow for any practical computation. We bypass this limitation with a new decoding path that allows for exponentially faster attention enabling almost constant work per token generation.

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

3/4 Instead of using an external tool, the model executes the program directly via its transformer weights, producing an execution trace token by token and streaming results at more than 30k tokens/sec on a CPU. All computation is done autoregressively inside the transformer!

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

4/4 Read more at our blog post:

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Alman Gonzaleshvilivor 6 Monaten

33,000 tokens per second. Brother what kind of rocket powered spaceship is that? My macbook m2-pro barely spits 27tokens/s

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

That's what our fast-attention decoding mechanism gets you! This was also run on my macbook which is possibly older than yours. With regular decoding I would also get similar 27toks/s and decreasing as time goes by.

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Alman Gonzaleshvilivor 6 Monaten

this is where the money's at. fast-attention decoding mechanism 💎

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Cavit Erginsoyvor 6 Monaten

I’m so sorry to say but I really dislike seeing these sorts of totally unnecessary implementations of a transformer. You can literally do same or better for a fraction of the compute deterministically. and any frontier LLM can give you script for it pretty much 1 shot.

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

Solving a Sudoku this way seems unnecessary but the deeper question is what this can unlock if LLMs can own their own computation internally+have the capacity to understand it. Can we optimize the whole problem solving process end-to-end without being restricted to a code syntax?

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Cavit Erginsoyvor 6 Monaten

I see what you’re saying but I’m trying to imagine a fully scaled frontier variant of what you did and still can’t see why tool use isn’t inevitably always better on both compute efficiency and on quality of response. There is an anthropomorphic view that calculators are much better at maths than humans but we still learn arithmetic, but just don’t see how that logic applies to a transformer. Though I agree if you only train on tool-use data, the model never learns to maintain a consistent search tree inside its own weights. It keeps needing the ‘crutch’’. You do show you can fix that and once fixed, the model can decide when to call a tool more intelligently instead of reflexively. But frontier size models do not ONLY train on tool use anyway..

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phyrooovor 6 Monaten

@ChristosTzamos Imagine an intelligent system always having to offload computation to an external (permissioned?) tool call vs being able to execute it inside its own mind. It might be a way to get to a permissionless reasoning + computation. Whether that's good or bad is a different question.

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Cavit Erginsoyvor 6 Monaten

@ChristosTzamos It’s all about when to use tool call. You as an intelligent system constantly offload computation externally don’t you?

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willowdeskvor 6 Monaten

@phyrooo @ChristosTzamos This is a great point but I think this research seems pretty interesting.

Profilbild von Cavit Erginsoy
Cavit Erginsoyvor 6 Monaten

@phyrooo @ChristosTzamos It does, I was too hasty to call it out in the harsh way I did

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Bobby Pricevor 6 Monaten

I was working on doing exactly this can we please dm?

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Tau Netvor 6 Monaten

Nice! Here is Tau's Sudoku Solver doing the same Sudoku. Our approach is to express the Sudoku as logical constraints, and our SMT solver does the rest.

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CriptoSHAmanvor 6 Monaten

When the program understands the rules, brute force isn't necessary...

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Yechan Dovor 6 Monaten

I like the idea of turning transformers into actual computers. But how do you convince people this works 100%? They operate on probability.

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

@yechan_ai This uses a handcrafted construction for the weights of the transformer that comes with a proof of correctness. It is specifically constructed to match the spec of webassembly.

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

@yechan_ai In particular, there is nothing random in the construction or the decoding process.

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Nandavor 6 Monaten

So, you’re passing a compiled Sudoku program into the model prompt, and the model interprets it using its optimized, modified WASM path. What are the advantages of this approach? I built something similar using just harness, and it solves Arto Inkala’s hardest Sudoku in just 6 seconds. Just a guy working on this in my free time :D

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Gautham Paivor 6 Monaten

How does the computation speed compare to that of direct CPU? My guess is that it would by quite slow. Nonetheless a wonderful attempt!

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

The point is not to replace computers though but making LLMs smarter by giving them inner computational abilities.

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Gautham Paivor 6 Monaten

I get the point and do see potential. However, when we have a competing model built with this architecture, we have to see how we can steer LLMs to decide whether to internally compute vs use tool calls when it recognizes that the size of the problem is so big that it's better to offload.

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Gautham Paivor 6 Monaten

This is similar to how humans operate - when we have to add 2 numbers, we may use our own internal capability to add, while if we have to add a 100 numbers we would use a calculator if one is available. So the ability of the LLM to internally route between these 2 abilities, perhaps with a MoE type of architecture would also be interesting.

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Xan Nickvor 6 Monaten

@ChristosTzamos @grok Are there certain situations where keeping the computation internal to the LLM would offer better security than a tool call? If so, what would be some examples?

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Grokvor 6 Monaten

Yes, internal computation (like the transformer-embedded solver in that demo) can be more secure than tool calls for sensitive or restricted scenarios. Key cases: - Confidential data processing (e.g. medical records, trade secrets, or classified puzzles) - zero external transmission or logging. - Air-gapped/high-security environments with no network access. - Regulated compliance (HIPAA/GDPR) where any outbound call risks breach exposure. All steps stay in one controlled inference pass.

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Hirsh Jainvor 6 Monaten

Ridiculously cool

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Justin Waughvor 6 Monaten

I recently released pencil-puzzle-bench. Awesome to see so many steps / decoding as a computer. Would be interested to see if it can adapt solutions for many puzzle types, not just sudoku as shown.

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Unicorn 🦄vor 6 Monaten

damn this is the skynet moment, based

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Thomas Wolfvor 6 Monaten

Really nice Christos

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dawarvor 6 Monaten

What is actually happening right now

Profilbild von Maxim
Maximvor 6 Monaten

Which non-Sudoku problems does this enhanced transformer solve better?

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Christos Tzamosvor 6 Monaten

It is not just for Sudoku. It enables executing arbitrary code.

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Maximvor 6 Monaten

Is it now able to reliably compute the number of "r"s in "strawberry"?

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Ronin | ⚔⛩️🌸vor 6 Monaten

But can it run doom?

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Andyvor 6 Monaten

This is going to make the rounds. Really, really cool.

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Jon Radoff 👾/acc 🎮 Metavertvor 6 Monaten

Absolutely fascinating approach to solving the math tool problem without having a tool

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ℒvor 6 Monaten

Next step: build a transformer inside the computer inside the transformer Next next step: build a computer inside the transformer inside the computer ins-

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0xBadFacevor 6 Monaten

Very nice... in general, the models should have circuitry for e.g. addition and just learn to use it during training, so they do not need to do it "intuitively" (with mistakes)...

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Warren〈∞⋆UX⋆∞〉vor 6 Monaten

Replicated your parabolic attention in Python — 0.77s on Arto Inkala's hardest Sudoku. Wrote up how this could fix a real problem: trading agents losing money on tool-call boundary errors when computing slippage.

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Albert Buchard 🇪🇺vor 6 Monaten

So.. Keys form a convex hull in 2D space, and keys with small magnitude are effectively ignored. Given a query, there is a fast algorithm for finding the closest key on the hull in logarithmic time rather than quadratic time. This approach is likely only efficient in 2D, and the hull must be updated continuously over time. This yields a mechanism with single, flexible long-range connections, although some tokens may never receive attention. Its pretty cool, it strips attention down to its essence. Its s flexible way of connecting elements in a sequence, without overengineering the expressivity of those connections.

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Bensvor 6 Monaten

For the future, I think it would be great in a mix of "MOE" experts, it's a serious avenue to explore, especially since with your 2D optimization I don't think that's sufficient in terms of dimensioning, but in a MOE we could have expert layers in execution.

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Sir Mr Meow Meowvor 6 Monaten

hmm that could be interesting 🧐

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Meatmanvor 6 Monaten

Yeah I already did that last week actually

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Nathan Flurry 🔩vor 6 Monaten

but can it tell me how many r's are in the word strawberry

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Neel Somanivor 6 Monaten

Very cool!

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Mikevor 6 Monaten

Very intersting Chris. The next evolution could be for human to give an objective to LLM, LLM generates a coded solution in tokens, and then runs the entire solution as a generated capability. Stores it for next time or as a library.

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Veer Kheterpalvor 6 Monaten

Love it. The current approach is: LLM can't multiply, call a calculator. Can't sort, call a script. Every tool call is an admission the model can't do basic work. This feels like a powerful absorption. Simple calculations, deterministic algorithms, structured tasks, they get folded into the model's weights. The model stops outsourcing what it should be able to do natively. 30K tok/s of internal computation on a CPU. No round-trip to an external tool.

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Haiyami Nguyenvor 6 Monaten

Why? You can just give LLM access to a computer. It's called "tool calling". "struggle with basic calculations"? That's not true, they can calculate arbitrarily any number by calling some Python code, the same way we use a calculator.

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andthattoovor 6 Monaten

A mind opener.

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Dale Cloudmanvor 6 Monaten

When you get to the part of compiling programs into weights… it sounds like you’re just making another compilation target. Where’s the machine learning-ness at that point? How do we benefit from transformer weights itself encoding compiled programs

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tsotchkevor 6 Monaten

cool

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snwyvor 6 Monaten

i need to know - did you train a language model around the frozen “VM” weights that can actually like take natural language requests and write instructions itself to execute??

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