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1/4 LLMs solve research grade math problems but struggle with basic calculations. We bridge this gap by turning them to computers. We built a computer INSIDE a transformer that can run programs for millions of steps in seconds solving even the hardest Sudokus with 100% accuracy

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Andrej Karpathy 的头像
Andrej Karpathy6 个月前

Wait this is so awesome!! Both 1) the C compiler to LLM weights and 2) the logarithmic complexity hard-max attention and its potential generalizations. Inspiring!

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

2/4 The key limitation of LLMs is that standard attention is too slow for any practical computation. We bypass this limitation with a new decoding path that allows for exponentially faster attention enabling almost constant work per token generation.

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

3/4 Instead of using an external tool, the model executes the program directly via its transformer weights, producing an execution trace token by token and streaming results at more than 30k tokens/sec on a CPU. All computation is done autoregressively inside the transformer!

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

4/4 Read more at our blog post:

Alman Gonzaleshvili 的头像
Alman Gonzaleshvili6 个月前

33,000 tokens per second. Brother what kind of rocket powered spaceship is that? My macbook m2-pro barely spits 27tokens/s

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

That's what our fast-attention decoding mechanism gets you! This was also run on my macbook which is possibly older than yours. With regular decoding I would also get similar 27toks/s and decreasing as time goes by.

Alman Gonzaleshvili 的头像
Alman Gonzaleshvili6 个月前

this is where the money's at. fast-attention decoding mechanism 💎

Cavit Erginsoy 的头像
Cavit Erginsoy6 个月前

I’m so sorry to say but I really dislike seeing these sorts of totally unnecessary implementations of a transformer. You can literally do same or better for a fraction of the compute deterministically. and any frontier LLM can give you script for it pretty much 1 shot.

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

Solving a Sudoku this way seems unnecessary but the deeper question is what this can unlock if LLMs can own their own computation internally+have the capacity to understand it. Can we optimize the whole problem solving process end-to-end without being restricted to a code syntax?

Cavit Erginsoy 的头像
Cavit Erginsoy6 个月前

I see what you’re saying but I’m trying to imagine a fully scaled frontier variant of what you did and still can’t see why tool use isn’t inevitably always better on both compute efficiency and on quality of response. There is an anthropomorphic view that calculators are much better at maths than humans but we still learn arithmetic, but just don’t see how that logic applies to a transformer. Though I agree if you only train on tool-use data, the model never learns to maintain a consistent search tree inside its own weights. It keeps needing the ‘crutch’’. You do show you can fix that and once fixed, the model can decide when to call a tool more intelligently instead of reflexively. But frontier size models do not ONLY train on tool use anyway..

phyrooo 的头像
phyrooo6 个月前

@ChristosTzamos Imagine an intelligent system always having to offload computation to an external (permissioned?) tool call vs being able to execute it inside its own mind. It might be a way to get to a permissionless reasoning + computation. Whether that's good or bad is a different question.

Cavit Erginsoy 的头像
Cavit Erginsoy6 个月前

@ChristosTzamos It’s all about when to use tool call. You as an intelligent system constantly offload computation externally don’t you?

willowdesk 的头像
willowdesk6 个月前

@phyrooo @ChristosTzamos This is a great point but I think this research seems pretty interesting.

Cavit Erginsoy 的头像
Cavit Erginsoy6 个月前

@phyrooo @ChristosTzamos It does, I was too hasty to call it out in the harsh way I did

Bobby Price 的头像
Bobby Price6 个月前

I was working on doing exactly this can we please dm?

Tau Net 的头像
Tau Net6 个月前

Nice! Here is Tau's Sudoku Solver doing the same Sudoku. Our approach is to express the Sudoku as logical constraints, and our SMT solver does the rest.

CriptoSHAman 的头像
CriptoSHAman6 个月前

When the program understands the rules, brute force isn't necessary...

Yechan Do 的头像
Yechan Do6 个月前

I like the idea of turning transformers into actual computers. But how do you convince people this works 100%? They operate on probability.

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

@yechan_ai This uses a handcrafted construction for the weights of the transformer that comes with a proof of correctness. It is specifically constructed to match the spec of webassembly.

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

@yechan_ai In particular, there is nothing random in the construction or the decoding process.

Nanda 的头像
Nanda6 个月前

So, you’re passing a compiled Sudoku program into the model prompt, and the model interprets it using its optimized, modified WASM path. What are the advantages of this approach? I built something similar using just harness, and it solves Arto Inkala’s hardest Sudoku in just 6 seconds. Just a guy working on this in my free time :D

Gautham Pai 的头像
Gautham Pai6 个月前

How does the computation speed compare to that of direct CPU? My guess is that it would by quite slow. Nonetheless a wonderful attempt!

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

The point is not to replace computers though but making LLMs smarter by giving them inner computational abilities.

Gautham Pai 的头像
Gautham Pai6 个月前

I get the point and do see potential. However, when we have a competing model built with this architecture, we have to see how we can steer LLMs to decide whether to internally compute vs use tool calls when it recognizes that the size of the problem is so big that it's better to offload.

Gautham Pai 的头像
Gautham Pai6 个月前

This is similar to how humans operate - when we have to add 2 numbers, we may use our own internal capability to add, while if we have to add a 100 numbers we would use a calculator if one is available. So the ability of the LLM to internally route between these 2 abilities, perhaps with a MoE type of architecture would also be interesting.

Xan Nick 的头像
Xan Nick6 个月前

@ChristosTzamos @grok Are there certain situations where keeping the computation internal to the LLM would offer better security than a tool call? If so, what would be some examples?

Grok 的头像
Grok6 个月前

Yes, internal computation (like the transformer-embedded solver in that demo) can be more secure than tool calls for sensitive or restricted scenarios. Key cases: - Confidential data processing (e.g. medical records, trade secrets, or classified puzzles) - zero external transmission or logging. - Air-gapped/high-security environments with no network access. - Regulated compliance (HIPAA/GDPR) where any outbound call risks breach exposure. All steps stay in one controlled inference pass.

Hirsh Jain 的头像
Hirsh Jain6 个月前

Ridiculously cool

Justin Waugh 的头像
Justin Waugh6 个月前

I recently released pencil-puzzle-bench. Awesome to see so many steps / decoding as a computer. Would be interested to see if it can adapt solutions for many puzzle types, not just sudoku as shown.

Unicorn 🦄 的头像
Unicorn 🦄6 个月前

damn this is the skynet moment, based

Thomas Wolf 的头像
Thomas Wolf6 个月前

Really nice Christos

dawar 的头像
dawar6 个月前

What is actually happening right now

Maxim 的头像
Maxim6 个月前

Which non-Sudoku problems does this enhanced transformer solve better?

Christos Tzamos 的头像
Christos Tzamos6 个月前

It is not just for Sudoku. It enables executing arbitrary code.

Maxim 的头像
Maxim6 个月前

Is it now able to reliably compute the number of "r"s in "strawberry"?

Ronin | ⚔⛩️🌸 的头像
Ronin | ⚔⛩️🌸6 个月前

But can it run doom?

Andy 的头像
Andy6 个月前

This is going to make the rounds. Really, really cool.

Jon Radoff 👾/acc 🎮 Metavert 的头像
Jon Radoff 👾/acc 🎮 Metavert6 个月前

Absolutely fascinating approach to solving the math tool problem without having a tool

ℒ 的头像
ℒ6 个月前

Next step: build a transformer inside the computer inside the transformer Next next step: build a computer inside the transformer inside the computer ins-

0xBadFace 的头像
0xBadFace6 个月前

Very nice... in general, the models should have circuitry for e.g. addition and just learn to use it during training, so they do not need to do it "intuitively" (with mistakes)...

Warren〈∞⋆UX⋆∞〉 的头像
Warren〈∞⋆UX⋆∞〉6 个月前

Replicated your parabolic attention in Python — 0.77s on Arto Inkala's hardest Sudoku. Wrote up how this could fix a real problem: trading agents losing money on tool-call boundary errors when computing slippage.

Albert Buchard 🇪🇺 的头像
Albert Buchard 🇪🇺6 个月前

So.. Keys form a convex hull in 2D space, and keys with small magnitude are effectively ignored. Given a query, there is a fast algorithm for finding the closest key on the hull in logarithmic time rather than quadratic time. This approach is likely only efficient in 2D, and the hull must be updated continuously over time. This yields a mechanism with single, flexible long-range connections, although some tokens may never receive attention. Its pretty cool, it strips attention down to its essence. Its s flexible way of connecting elements in a sequence, without overengineering the expressivity of those connections.

Bens 的头像
Bens6 个月前

For the future, I think it would be great in a mix of "MOE" experts, it's a serious avenue to explore, especially since with your 2D optimization I don't think that's sufficient in terms of dimensioning, but in a MOE we could have expert layers in execution.

Sir Mr Meow Meow 的头像
Sir Mr Meow Meow6 个月前

hmm that could be interesting 🧐

Meatman 的头像
Meatman6 个月前

Yeah I already did that last week actually

Nathan Flurry 🔩 的头像
Nathan Flurry 🔩6 个月前

but can it tell me how many r's are in the word strawberry

Neel Somani 的头像
Neel Somani6 个月前

Very cool!

Mike 的头像
Mike6 个月前

Very intersting Chris. The next evolution could be for human to give an objective to LLM, LLM generates a coded solution in tokens, and then runs the entire solution as a generated capability. Stores it for next time or as a library.

Veer Kheterpal 的头像
Veer Kheterpal6 个月前

Love it. The current approach is: LLM can't multiply, call a calculator. Can't sort, call a script. Every tool call is an admission the model can't do basic work. This feels like a powerful absorption. Simple calculations, deterministic algorithms, structured tasks, they get folded into the model's weights. The model stops outsourcing what it should be able to do natively. 30K tok/s of internal computation on a CPU. No round-trip to an external tool.

Haiyami Nguyen 的头像
Haiyami Nguyen6 个月前

Why? You can just give LLM access to a computer. It's called "tool calling". "struggle with basic calculations"? That's not true, they can calculate arbitrarily any number by calling some Python code, the same way we use a calculator.

andthattoo 的头像
andthattoo6 个月前

A mind opener.

Dale Cloudman 的头像
Dale Cloudman6 个月前

When you get to the part of compiling programs into weights… it sounds like you’re just making another compilation target. Where’s the machine learning-ness at that point? How do we benefit from transformer weights itself encoding compiled programs

tsotchke 的头像
tsotchke6 个月前

cool

snwy 的头像
snwy6 个月前

i need to know - did you train a language model around the frozen “VM” weights that can actually like take natural language requests and write instructions itself to execute??

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