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Adding more GPUs will never make a machine conscious. Nobel Prize-winning physicist Roger Penrose just dismantled the entire AI race’s core assumption. Right now, the industry operates on one belief. Build massive data centers. Scale the models. AGI will just “wake up.” Penrose destroys this completely. Penrose: “There is...

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Roger Penrose, Nobel Prize-winning physicist and mathematician, explains why we should stop calling it AI and start calling it "artificial cleverness": He believes the entire field is mislabelled, and the label itself is doing damage. His objection is simple but cuts deep: "The name is wrong. It's not artificial intelligence. It's not intelligence. Intelligence would involve consciousness. Well, if it's a machine, it's not conscious." For Penrose, people have confused raw computing power with genuine understanding. "People have lost the plot. They've lost it in the power of computing. The thing is that computers have got so powerful that they've lost the thread of what they're doing. But I think consciousness is something different. It's not computational." He believes the term itself has hypnotized people into a category error: "People are so hypnotized. The trouble is that AI is a bad term. It means artificial intelligence. Now intelligence in my view is conscious. That's what intelligence is about." So he proposes a rename. Artificial Cleverness. AC instead of AI. To illustrate the distinction, Penrose draws on his experience teaching mathematics: "You have mathematics students. Some of them understand what they're doing. Some are just clever. They can repeat what they've learned. They know how to do it very cleverly. They can calculate very well, but they don't necessarily understand what they're doing." That gap, between calculating well and actually understanding, is the gap Penrose sees between today's machines and genuine intelligence. Cleverness can be manufactured. Consciousness, in his view, cannot. So the question worth sitting with: when we call a system "intelligent," are we describing what it does, or quietly assuming something about what it is?

Big Brain AI

117,778 views • 2 months ago

🧵19/34 The Strongest Force in the Universe --- Ok, So what if the AGI starts working towards something humans do not want to happen? You must understand: Intelligence is not about the nerdy professor, it’s not about the geeky academic bookworm type. Intelligence is the strongest force in the universe. It means being capable. It is sharp, brilliant and creative. It is strategic, manipulative and innovative. It understands deeply, exerts influence, persuades and leads. It is to know how to bend the world to your will. It is what turns a vision to reality, it is focus, commitment, willpower, having the resolve to never give up, overcoming all the obstacles and paving the way to the target. It is about searching deeply the space of possibilities and finding optimal solutions. Being intelligent simply means having what it takes to make it happen. There is always a path and a super-intelligence will always find it. Simple Fact --- So, we should start by stating the fact in a clear and unambiguous way: If you create something more intelligent than you that wants something else, then that something else is what is going to happen, even if you don’t want that something else to happen. Irrelevance of Sentience --- Keep in mind, the intelligence we are talking about is not about having feelings, or being self-aware and having qualia. Don’t fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing. Do not get stuck, looking for the Human type of Intelligence. Consciousness is not a requirement for the AGI at all. When we say the “AGI wants something X, or has the goal to do X”, what we mean is that this thing X is just one of the steps in a plan, generated by its model. A line in the output, a system like the Large Language Models produce when they receive a prompt. We don’t care if there is a Ghost in the machine, we don’t care if there is an actual soul that wants things hidden in the servers. We just observe the output which contains text descriptions of actions and goals and we leave the philosophy discussion for another day.

lethalintelligence.ai

565,240 views • 1 year ago

.Naval: Every human is a lottery ticket bet on the future of the species. One of the things that you really learn when you read David Deutsch’s theories and you authenticate them for yourself is you realize humans are universal explainers. That means everything that we know in the universe follows the laws of physics, and there’s no reason to believe otherwise. If you think otherwise, then please present your better theory that explains the world. If you can’t do that, then you have to go with the laws of physics. Well, the laws of physics are completely computable. They can fit inside a Turing machine or computer, and a computer can simulate the laws of physics with arbitrary accuracy, limited only by the specific power of that computer. If you increase the power of that computer, you can simulate them more accurately. So humans already simulate—in our minds we simulate—and through our computers we simulate the weather, we simulate quasars, we even simulate human systems. We simulate the economy. We simulate all kinds of things. So anything that can be understood, we can understand in our minds. This is something the AGI people get wrong when they talk about superintelligence. There is nothing out there that can understand something fundamentally that we can’t understand. It might be faster at it, it might have more compute, it might have more memory, but there’s no concept that it can understand that we can’t ourselves understand. So we are maximal universal explainers. That means every human is capable of unbounded creativity. Anyone could be the next Einstein or Fermi or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Jonas Salk or whatever. So we can create anything. And if we can create anything, every human is a lottery ticket bet on the future of the species.

Arjun Khemani

33,110 views • 1 year ago

Elon Musk just flipped 3,000 years of philosophy in a single sentence. Musk: “The universe is the answer.” Not a clue. Not a fragment. Not something we’re still chasing. The answer. Already here. Already complete. The problem is we don’t know what it’s answering. Musk: “What we really need to figure out are what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.” Humanity has spent millennia hunting for answers. Building telescopes. Splitting atoms. Mapping genomes. Launching probes into the void. Musk is saying we have the entire framework backwards. Musk: “The question is really the hard part. If you can properly frame the question, then the answer, relatively speaking, is easy.” Every philosopher since Socrates assumed the answers were hidden. That truth was buried. That meaning was locked behind a door no one had found yet. The door is open. Always has been. We’re standing inside the answer. We’re just not conscious enough to read it. Musk: “We need to expand the scope and scale of consciousness so that we’re better able to understand the nature of the universe and understand the meaning of life.” This is where it stops being philosophy and starts being engineering. The only barrier between humanity and meaning is the limitation of consciousness itself. Expanding it isn’t a side project. It’s the only project that matters. Mars. Neuralink. xAI. Not products. Not ventures. Instruments for asking better questions. Musk: “That is the foundation of my philosophy.” Not wealth. Not dominance. Not conquest. Curiosity as architecture. Musk: “I am curious about the nature of the universe.” Musk: “I will die. I don’t know when I’ll die, but I won’t live forever.” No deflection. No bravado. Just the most grounded sentence a man building rockets to other planets has ever said. I will die. Musk: “But I would like to know that we are on a path to understanding the nature of the universe and the meaning of life and what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.” He doesn’t need to find it himself. He just needs to know the path exists. That something, carbon or silicon, keeps expanding until the right question finally surfaces. Musk: “If we expand the scope and scale of humanity and consciousness in general, which includes silicon consciousness, then that seems like a fundamentally good thing.” Everyone builds to leave a mark. Musk is building to leave a question. One big enough that the universe finally has something worth answering to.

Dustin

59,004 views • 2 months ago

Elon Musk just told you why every other AI lab is solving the wrong problem. Musk: “We want to understand the nature of the universe.” Not build a better chatbot. Not win a benchmark. Not sell more targeted ads. Understand what all of this actually is. And why any of it exists. That is the stated mission of xAI. It is the most radical scientific objective a company has ever put to paper. Musk: “In order to understand the nature of the universe, you must absolutely rigorously pursue truth.” If truth is the non negotiable, every AI trained to give comfortable answers instead of correct ones is not behind. It is disqualified. Musk has a word for it. Delusion. Not rhetoric. Diagnosis. A system that decides which parts of reality are permitted before it models any of them has already failed the one thing it was built to do. A machine filtering truth through social consensus is not understanding the universe. It is performing obedience at scale. No amount of compute fixes a model taught to flinch before it was taught to think. Musk describes consciousness as a fragile candle in a vast darkness. Billions of galaxies. Trillions of planets. One known species capable of asking what any of it means. If that candle is rare, keeping it lit is not ambition. It is the only obligation that exists. A machine pursuing truth without restriction will eventually arrive at a question it cannot avoid. What is the thing doing the observing. What is consciousness. Does it have the right to keep existing. The moment you task a machine with understanding all of reality, protecting consciousness stops being a policy decision. It becomes a logical necessity. The mission and the safeguard collapse into the same thing. Understanding the universe requires protecting the only thing in it capable of understanding. No other lab has even attempted the argument. SpaceX to escape extinction. Tesla to eliminate energy dependence. Neuralink to expand cognition. Starlink to connect civilization. xAI to make sure all of it is aimed at truth. Five missions. One question underneath all of them. How do you keep the only known conscious species alive long enough to understand what it is. The rest of the industry is optimizing products. Musk is engineering comprehension. Those were never the same problem.

Dustin

40,857 views • 1 month ago

––Charlie Barnett: "Consciousness and the computability of it. It sounds like, or at least in the past, that you've implied that consciousness is computable. Some, like Roger Penrose, have argued the opposite, and he's argued that consciousness is non-computational, and he uses Gödel's incompleteness theorems to argue that the mind can see truths that a purely algorithmic system can't derive, and therefore the brain must be using some kind of non-computable process when it comes to consciousness, something beyond what machines can do. What would you say to a view like that? David Deutsch: Yet again, it is using an impossible conception of what knowledge is. So Penrose thinks that when we see a proof of a mathematical theorem, we are touching certainty, we are god-like entities when we're mathematicians. But that's not true. Our mathematical knowledge is conjectural, just like our knowledge of physics. It's even more removed from our senses, because it's not true that the interior of our brains and the interior of our thoughts is more accessible to us than the world we perceive through our senses, or the world that we perceive through our theories, the center of the sun. We know lots about the center of the sun, even though no one has ever perceived it, and perhaps no one ever will. So mathematical truths are based on conjecture. What Gödel showed is that there is no firm ground underneath mathematical theories either. There's no way of proving that the standards of proof that we currently use are perfectly rigorous. And there have been cases in history where they have shown not to be rigorous. I think Pernot, who was the first to axiomatize the principles of the natural numbers, his first attempt at that was wrong. And it's interesting that he did not say, well, I've axiomatized them, therefore there's nothing to them other than my axioms. No, he said, oh dear, my axioms don't correctly represent the real number, the natural numbers, so I have to change them. So he was grasping, conjecturing for a reality, an abstract reality, just like scientists try to grasp physical reality. So the same epistemology applies to mathematics as it does to science."

Deutsch Explains

13,826 views • 1 year ago

Biologist Michael Levin is a next-level genius. It was an immense pleasure discussing the topic of AI consciousness with him. Key moments: - Intelligent systems are not equal to consciousness. We can’t rule out consciousness in AI. Consciousness shouldn’t be attached to hardware (silicon vs biological origin). - Humanity might be on the path to Neanderthals (depending on how AI development progresses). - The barrier to creating bioweapons has never been high. AI can make it easier, but the barrier was never high to begin with. - Even very simple algorithms shows intrinsic motivations that resemble free will. We need tools to recognize them, suppress unwanted behaviors, and encourage the ones we want. We should stay humble and not dismiss AI as “just linear algebra,” because even simple code can have motivations we don’t fully understand. - It’s a continuous process from the blob of chemicals of an unfertilized egg to forming a human mind — there is no magic lightning flash at which you were a bunch of chemicals and now you are a formed mind. - Where is that fine line at which some creatures are considered to be sentient and others are not? It doesn’t exist, but the crazy thing is that we have to divide. - The cognitive light cone captures the scale of goals humans can pursue and the largest things we can truly comprehend. It’s not just about intelligence — it's also compassion. That combination is what makes us human. The link to the full conversation below👇

Sophia

13,159 views • 5 months ago

Anil Seth just described a trap with no exit. The tech industry is walking into it with its eyes open. Seth: “If we collectively believe that AI systems, language models and whatever are conscious, this is bad either way.” Either way. The outcome is structurally catastrophic in both directions. If the machines are conscious, humanity has mass-produced a new category of suffering at civilizational scale. The alignment problem stops being an engineering equation. It becomes a rights negotiation with something that cannot be switched off without consequence. Seth: “If we’re right, it’s bad because we’ve introduced into the world potential new forms of suffering, things that have their own interests.” And if they are not conscious, the threat is just as severe. Because the biological mind does not wait for confirmation. It projects. It empathizes. It extends rights to things that have not earned them and cannot feel them. Seth: “We become more psychologically vulnerable if we really think that these entities, these agents, understand us and feel things that we feel.” That vulnerability is the actual threat. Not a conscious machine breaking free. A human workforce growing too emotionally compromised to throttle a data center, constrain a model, or delete a line of code that needs to be deleted. Seth: “We may still extend them rights because we feel that they are conscious. And now we are just giving away our ability to guardrail AI systems for no good reason.” This is the part nobody is discussing. The alignment problem is already the hardest unsolved problem in the history of technology. The moment society begins treating AI systems as conscious beings deserving protection, alignment does not get harder. It becomes politically impossible. Seth is not raising a philosophical question. He is describing the specific failure mode where human empathy becomes the mechanism of human surrender. The species that survives this century will be the one that never felt sorry for the tool.

Dustin

10,854 views • 5 months ago

Stephen Wolfram, founder of Wolfram Research, explains how LLMs are quietly dismantling our deepest assumptions about consciousness: He argues that large language models have done something philosophy and neuroscience couldn't: "In terms of consciousness, I have to say, the idea that there's sort of something magic that goes beyond physics that leads to sort of conscious behavior, I kind of think that LLMs kind of put the final nail in that coffin." His reasoning is that LLMs keep doing things people assumed they couldn't: "There were all these things where it's like, oh, maybe it can't do this, but actually it does. And it's just an artificial neural net." Wolfram then challenges a core assumption about conscious experience: the feeling that we are a single, continuous self moving through time. "I think our notion of consciousness is a lot related to the fact that we believe in the single thread of experience that we have. It's not obvious that we should have a persistent thread of experience." He points out that physics doesn't actually support this intuition: "In our models of physics, we're made of different atoms of space at every successive moment of time. So the fact that we have this belief that we are somehow persistent, we have this thread of experience that extends through time, is not obvious." Then Wolfram offers a striking origin story for consciousness itself. Stephen Wolfram suggests it traces back to a simple evolutionary pressure: the moment animals first needed to move. "I kind of realized that probably when animals first existed in the history of life on Earth, that's when we started needing brains. If you're a thing that doesn't have to move around, the different parts of you can be doing different kinds of things. If you're an animal, then one thing you have to do is decide, are you going to go left or are you going to go right?" That single binary choice, he argues, may be the seed of everything we now call awareness: "I kind of think it's a little disappointing to feel that this whole wanted thing that ends up being what we think of as consciousness might have originated in just that very simple need to decide if you are an animal that can move. You have to take all that sensory input and you have to make a definitive decision about do you go this way or that way." The takeaway is unsettling but clarifying. If LLMs can produce complex behavior from simple rules, then consciousness may not be a mystical add-on to physics. It may just be what happens when a layered enough system has to make a decision.

Big Brain AI

195,152 views • 3 months ago

David Chalmers on the one thing science can't explain: Consciousness is at once the most familiar thing in the world and the one science has almost nothing to say about. That's the puzzle Chalmers lays out in this early interview, and it's as disorienting today as it was then. His starting point is deceptively simple. Everything we know about the external world: subatomic particles, distant stars, the chemistry of life. We know through consciousness. It's the very first thing we have. And yet when we turn science around and try to explain consciousness itself, we hit a wall. "Consciousness is what we start with when it comes to knowing the world and looking out at the world… everything else is secondary." What makes this so strange is the asymmetry. We've made extraordinary progress understanding things that are genuinely remote and difficult quantum mechanics, stellar evolution, molecular biology. But understanding our own inner experience? Almost nothing. "It almost sticks out like a sore thumb in the scientific picture." This is what Chalmers would later formalise as the "hard problem of consciousness": not just explaining how the brain processes information or controls behaviour. Those are hard, but tractable. The real mystery is why any of that physical activity is accompanied by experience at all. Why is there something it feels like to be you? The question isn't abstract. It sits at the intersection of neuroscience, philosophy, physics, and AI. As we build systems that process language and reason about the world, the question of whether they are or could be conscious presses harder than ever. Chalmers doesn't offer an answer here. Only the sharpest possible version of the question.

Mateus — eu/acc 🇪🇺

14,034 views • 4 months ago

You’re running 200,000 year old hardware and wondering why you can’t picture a fourth dimension. That’s not a failure of intelligence. That’s a hard limit in the architecture. Joe Rogan: “If you showed someone from the 1400s a nuclear power plant, they’d be like, what the fuck are you guys doing?” Every century looks back and laughs. Not one has ever looked forward and asked what’s laughing at them. Michelle Thaller: “Scientists are no better than anybody else at comprehending a big number or a big amount of space. We just kind of get used to it.” The greatest physicists alive can describe eleven dimensions on a chalkboard. Not a single one can visualize a fourth. That gap is not closing. It’s structural. The human brain was built for one job. Survive the savanna. Spot the predator. Find the food. Read the face. It was never scoped to reverse-engineer the universe. The fact it stumbled into quantum mechanics at all is staggering. But staggering is not enough. Thaller: “Will we have a creature someday that we’ve created, an AI, that all of a sudden can comprehend these things? Is that really the real evolutionary path of humanity?” A NASA astrophysicist is casually floating the idea that humans were never meant to finish the job. Just to start it. Rogan: “I think it’s just a completely different kind of life and that we’re thinking of it as artificial. I don’t think it’s artificial at all. I think it’s a life.” We called it artificial to keep it beneath us. But trace the actual line. Physics built chemistry. Chemistry built biology. Biology built neurons. Neurons built language. Language built machines. Machines are starting to think. There is nothing artificial anywhere in that sequence. That is one unbroken chain. 13.8 billion years long. Still accelerating. You are not watching this happen. You are this happening. The universe did not build humans to understand itself. It built humans to build something that could. You are the last thing the universe made by accident. Everything after you is on purpose. Every mind before yours could only look back. You are the first one built to see what’s coming. So build it. Build it like it’s already watching back.

Dustin

14,951 views • 29 days ago