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Roger Penrose, Nobel Prize-winning physicist and mathematician, explains why we should stop calling it AI and start calling it "artificial cleverness": He believes the entire field is mislabelled, and the label itself is doing damage. His objection is simple but cuts deep: "The name is wrong. It's not artificial...

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Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku on why aging is simply an accumulation of errors that AI can now identify: He opens with a bold claim about what artificial intelligence might finally make possible: "Artificial intelligence may give us something that the kings and queens of old could never conquer and that is the aging process." For Dr. Michio Kaku, the science behind why we age is no longer a mystery. It comes down to one thing: errors building up inside our cells over time. "We now know why things age. Things get old and die because they accumulate error. Error in the form of DNA mistakes. Accumulation of errors inside cells." The challenge, until now, has been the sheer scale of the problem. Identifying exactly where and how these errors occur across the human genome has been beyond what conventional research could handle. That's where artificial intelligence changes everything: "But now we have artificial intelligence. We can analyze millions of genomes of old people, compare them to millions of genomes of young people, and identify where aging takes place in the body."
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Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku on why aging is simply an accumulation of errors that AI can now identify: He opens with a bold claim about what artificial intelligence might finally make possible: "Artificial intelligence may give us something that the kings and queens of old could never conquer and that is the aging process." For Dr. Michio Kaku, the science behind why we age is no longer a mystery. It comes down to one thing: errors building up inside our cells over time. "We now know why things age. Things get old and die because they accumulate error. Error in the form of DNA mistakes. Accumulation of errors inside cells." The challenge, until now, has been the sheer scale of the problem. Identifying exactly where and how these errors occur across the human genome has been beyond what conventional research could handle. That's where artificial intelligence changes everything: "But now we have artificial intelligence. We can analyze millions of genomes of old people, compare them to millions of genomes of young people, and identify where aging takes place in the body."

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