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Generative models (diffusion/flow) are taking over robotics 🤖. But do we really need to model the full action distribution to control a robot? We suspected the success of Generative Control Policies (GCPs) might be "Much Ado About Noising." We rigorously tested the myths. 🧵👇

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

Common wisdom says GCPs beat Regression because of 1️⃣ Multi-modality handling 🔀 2️⃣ Better pixel-based control 🖼️ 3️⃣ Expressivity 🧠 💡Finding1: We debunked this. When controlling for architecture, regression match flow on almost all tasks, except for a few high-precision tasks.

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

To understand that gap, we proposed a new taxonomy for GCPs. They aren't just one thing; they are 3 components: 📊 Distribution Learning 🎲 Stochasticity Injection 🔄 Supervised Iterative Compute

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

💡 Finding 2: It turns out the magic ingredient isn't "Generative Modeling"—it's 🔄 Iterative Correction + 🎲 Noise. We built the Minimal Iterative Policy (MIP): ✅ A simple 2-step regression policy ✅ No complex distribution matching ✅ Matches Flow/Diffusion performance

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

Apart from single-task settings, our simple recipe (MIP) even works for finetuning VLAs!

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

💡 Finding 3: Why does Iteration + Noise work? It’s not just "expressivity." It’s Manifold Adherence. Iterative compute ensures that even when the robot sees weird observations (OOD), the output action remains on the "manifold" of physically plausible movements.

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

Start treating your policy architecture as an iterative solver, not just a distribution fitter ;) 📄 Paper: 💻 Code: 🌐 Website:

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

If you see @max_simchowitz @GuanyaShi @nmboffi @guannanqu at NeurIPS, feel free to chat with them about our work! Work led by me w/ Giri Anantharaman, Nai-Chieh Huang, Claire Jin, Daniel Pfrommer, Chenyang Yuan, Frank Permenter, @guannanqu , @nmboffi, @GuanyaShi, @max_simchowitz

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Minghuan Liuvor 10 Monaten

Insightful work! Thanks for sharing. A quick question, how will MIP behave when data is a.1 (and I agree that most cases we have b.1)?

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

It depends which loss norm you use, L1 will predict one mode (medium value) while L2 will predict the mean.

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Minghuan Liuvor 10 Monaten

So you are saying that if data is a.1, better still using flow matching policy?

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쇼팽.vor 10 Monaten

I am not sure if those benchmarks in the paper (robomimic, libero,eg) are actually multimodal enough. If both regression and diffusion get near 100% SR, that means the benchmark is not a good one to begin with. Maybe try d3il?

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

We have pusht and kitchen which is quite multimodal. Do you think d3il is multimodal? Happy to give it a shot ;)

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Chongkai Gaovor 10 Monaten

I think these guys have already given a similar theoretical analysis in their paper:

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Alper Canberkvor 10 Monaten

great work! have you investigated matching training FLOPs between these methods? MIP has two forward passes in the training objective

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

That’s a great question. Computation are aligned since we randomly sample one step in MIP to compute loss. So the function evaluation number stay the same across training.

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Robvor 10 Monaten

Great work! Really interesting paper. I'm curious about what you think about recent non-iterative generative policies (C1+C2) like and These methods are basically regression but with additional mechanisms that encourage better use of the noise space. It seems that either C1+C2 and C2+C3 can work well, but I wonder about the trade offs.

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

In the non-iterative methods you mentioned, their evaluated task (robomimic, kitchen) is where we find regression is on par with flow with correct architecture. In our paper we use shortcut models as C1+C2 example, whose performance is worse than MIP/flow on most challenging task

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Irving Fangvor 10 Monaten

Haven’t entirely finished reading because it’s a long one but love this type of work!! Good old fashioned science that truly tries to understand things instead following the hype

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Stan Szymanowiczvor 10 Monaten

Great analysis Chaoyi!

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SoloTechvor 10 Monaten

Generative Control Policies are getting hype, but testing the assumptions is exactly what the field needs.

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^HI^vor 10 Monaten

Nice work! Do you explore how different models generalize to new objects/envirments? I feel that might be where diffusion/flow models can shine

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Chaoyi Panvor 10 Monaten

We have multi-task training with LEBERO. For zero-shot experiment, I guess we need to pertrain a model and this paper doesn’t answer that. I think that would be an interesting future work!

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Robert Scoblevor 10 Monaten

I had Grok explain this to me and why what you reported is important. Then in a way a child could understand. Thought you'd find it entertaining, because it made it very clear to me. Thanks for your work!

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xknnvor 7 Monaten

great work. recently I was trying to use the mean flow actor type in it.But it seems like there are some problem in your meanflow implementation.The training process is break out in 150k steps.may I discuss with you if you are thinking about meanflow policy in robotics control

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Danelle Stewartvor 10 Monaten

Check DM

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just10101vor 10 Monaten

Shameless @danfei_xu stop stealing from students/ interviewees - Shame on @ICatGT

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