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introducing OpenBench v1, an open framework for measuring AI performance and efficiency for your codebase and use case. Companies are realizing that you can't simply tokenmaxx, and are frantically looking for better ways to use and measure AI use and efficiency. One approach is evidenced by the rise in...

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Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

open :)

Filip profil fotoğrafı
Filip3 ay önce

okay so the takeaway is that cursors harness is the best for solving tasks overall but it outputs most tokens? and pi isnt as great for % of solved tasks but the output tokens per solved task is much lower making it the cheapest overall?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes Cursor has done well for the two models I got to test it with, one is their own model. They don't have ease to test with Deepseek, Kimi, etc. so i can't say across the board but definitely impressed by their harness. Pi has always done best in token efficiency and latency. It actually regressed from gpt 5.5 to 5.6 in correctness, wouldn't attribute to the harness just yet. I'm bullish on Pi coming back

Filip profil fotoğrafı
Filip3 ay önce

hmm interesting.. i wonder what pi does differently to get such token efficiency.. system prompts or harness instructions itself?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

@filip_a__ most minimal is probably every aspect: system prompt, tools, etc. claude also removed 80% of its system prompt according to @trq212

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

one thing to call out: for correctness especially I need to add more difficult long horizon tasks. But I think the best way to judge these right now are through trends. Few trends I've seen repeated through the different updates: > Cursor harness performs well in correctness > Pi and claude have been efficient in token spend + latency > Codex likes to token maxx, I've even tested ablations myself (codex variants) and see opportunity to make the harness more efficient

stridell profil fotoğrafı
stridell3 ay önce

pi keeps winning

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes bullish Pi

Chase profil fotoğrafı
Chase3 ay önce

love this! not enough content out there that shows perf difference for the same model across different harnesses

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it!

Sydney Runkle profil fotoğrafı
Sydney Runkle3 ay önce

how does deepagents stack up?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

let me add to the list

Sezan profil fotoğrafı
Sezan3 ay önce

@thsottiaux we need to fix codex bro...It was my personal observation as well coz i also got better results using 5.6 with claude code...but we have benchmark now...look at the solve rate and token efficiency for 5.6 on other harness

Auro profil fotoğrafı
Auro3 ay önce

Very cool benchmark and I'm excited to learn more! Will you be expanding to more harnesses?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes! any specific ones you're intersted in? Right now I'm adding: - omp harness - aider harness - Inkling @thinkymachines - Laguna @poolsideai

Auro profil fotoğrafı
Auro3 ay önce

@thinkymachines @poolsideai Droid and copilot are the two that come to mind! OpenCode v1 vs OpenCode v2 is also interesting to me

Divanshu Chauhan profil fotoğrafı
Divanshu Chauhan3 ay önce

@mattlam_ @thinkymachines @poolsideai I'd love to see droid as well

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

@Aurokinn @thinkymachines @poolsideai let me see what I can do, I am curious about OpenCode v2, not sure how @thdxr thinks it'll be diff, i havent read up it too much yet. Also I pay for these out of pocket and am fun employed rn, so will try my best but these subs + api keys add up 😂

Auro profil fotoğrafı
Auro3 ay önce

@Divkix @thinkymachines @poolsideai @thdxr totally get that! if I can help run some evals for you let me know I have a variety of subs for my cross-harness tooling if you're comfortable with cliproxyapi I believe you can bring your codex sub to copilot + droid, and amp natively supports codex oauth

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

@Divkix @thinkymachines @poolsideai @thdxr oh sick ye thats how i got gpt5.6 on claude, but i don't want to mess with claude oauth on other harnesses, cause apparently you can get banned

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

@Divkix @thinkymachines @poolsideai @thdxr actually the best part about OpenBench is that it's open, if you're curious and willing, try to run this on your machine and compare results :)

MisterCh0c profil fotoğrafı
MisterCh0c3 ay önce

Try tura with sol!

Thomas Silva profil fotoğrafı
Thomas Silva3 ay önce

Why are the stats in this video different from the dashboard? e.g. for 5.6 sol the video shows cursor as the least efficient but then the site says it is the most efficient

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

good catch fixing, dashboard is wrong

Yash Gogri profil fotoğrafı
Yash Gogri3 ay önce

This is sick!

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it Yash

rehen profil fotoğrafı
rehen3 ay önce

OpenBench measures production reality.

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

@rehensina yessir!

Jorge profil fotoğrafı
Jorge3 ay önce

most relevant for me, for gpt 5.6: pi • 35K tokens • 72.7% opencode • 90K tokens • 80% grok build • 142K tokens • 82.2% codex • 157K tokens • 72.7% lmao 😂

Arrow profil fotoğrafı
Arrow3 ay önce

where is glm

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

ye I should've included in video, but i did benchmark previously, results should be in repo, but TLDR GLM is very good for day to day tasks and very efficient

FloppyBlahaj🦈 profil fotoğrafı
FloppyBlahaj🦈3 ay önce

That’s really sick!

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it!

VibecodePro profil fotoğrafı
VibecodePro3 ay önce

Kilo cli?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

can take a look

Vadims profil fotoğrafı
Vadims3 ay önce

There seems to be a mistake in the total token calculation for the Grok build: cache-read tokens are included for it but not for the others. I would also recheck the Cursor build, as it ended up with only 73 uncached input tokens.

Artificial Guy / João Vitor A. profil fotoğrafı
Artificial Guy / João Vitor A.3 ay önce

Amazing thanks

Jabol aso profil fotoğrafı
Jabol aso3 ay önce

Great direction — cost-per-token alone hides real efficiency. Worth also tracking task success rate and latency variance, not just tokens/$, since a cheaper model that needs 3x retries often costs more in wall-clock time. Will you support custom eval harnesses?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

agreed! Right now i'm latency and success rate, didn't have latency in the video but it's up on the repo. Also for tokens I do track input/output/cache splits! One caveat is for cursor/cli they're based on what the cli reports to me, the rest of the harnesses let me use a proxy that aggregates their token spend from providers.

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

good catch, fixing the token solve, dashboard is wrong there. Med wall on dashboard was comparing all Cursor solves, but video was only latency for all problems that all harnesses solved. My bad, can look confusing, can make more clear.

Furkan Ceyran profil fotoğrafı
Furkan Ceyran3 ay önce

No worries, anyone taking a quick look can figure it out anyway, so those are pretty minor issues. You’ve genuinely filled a real need here, thanks for making this benchmark. It’s exactly what I was looking for :)

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it! will continue to improve on it, and open to feedback

Centraly profil fotoğrafı
Centraly3 ay önce

ofc, benchmark showing pi as best harness, hover the profile -> pi developer, completely unbiased opinion

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

i use all the coding harnesses. I built pi-gui because I think it's a product missing in the market. You can also view the results and try running yourself, they're all open haha

逍遥醍醐仙TIHU profil fotoğrafı
逍遥醍醐仙TIHU3 ay önce

Well done! People always benchmark the models, fewer do this to the harness

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it!

Vitor de Lucca 🇧🇷 🏳️‍🌈 profil fotoğrafı
Vitor de Lucca 🇧🇷 🏳️‍🌈3 ay önce

Try reasonix with deepseek

Sayem profil fotoğrafı
Sayem3 ay önce

interesting

RayBytes profil fotoğrafı
RayBytes3 ay önce

That Claude vs Codex token difference is crazy. Any idea why there’s such a stark difference?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

claude killed 80% of its system prompt supposedly recenlty, think it's made a big help, and look at Pi it's minimal and does well

Saswata profil fotoğrafı
Saswata3 ay önce

this is the new open router

KYDNO profil fotoğrafı
KYDNO3 ay önce

been waiting for a harness bench for a while, go work at Artificial Analysis!

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

same surprised I didn't see one, so decided to build one haha

buildwithjay profil fotoğrafı
buildwithjay3 ay önce

OpenBench feels like the part every AI team eventually needs. not another model leaderboard, just proof of which one is cheap on your own repo.

Sebastian Buzdugan profil fotoğrafı
Sebastian Buzdugan3 ay önce

openbench needs drift tracking because static eval sets go stale fast in real codebases

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

good idea I'll take a look!

MI COWI profil fotoğrafı
MI COWI3 ay önce

does it differentiate cached tokens?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes! I have a proxy that sit in front and differentiates tokens reported back from providers. Unfortunately some providers like @cognition Devin and @cursor_ai are more closed, and those I take wtv their cli reports back.

Milkman Dan profil fotoğrafı
Milkman Dan3 ay önce

Explains a few things, like why it seems like most of the "5.6 is killing my tokens" complaints are coming from Codex users.

itsaflecha profil fotoğrafı
itsaflecha3 ay önce

good stuff.

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

appreciate it

Marco Lee profil fotoğrafı
Marco Lee3 ay önce

It’s Pi cheaper than the other harness?

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes from my exp

erik@try.works profil fotoğrafı

Let me integrate this with role-model

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

yes please! lmk how it goes

Hi9841 profil fotoğrafı
Hi98413 ay önce

Change the name to HarnessBench

Matthew Lam profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Lam3 ay önce

thinking about it lol

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