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Morning bathrobe rant: AI slop.

90,646 次观看 • 2 个月前 •via X (Twitter)

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Pop Catalin 的头像
Pop Catalin2 个月前

AI slop is only produced by sloppy people at the wheels. Which brings both good news and bad news: The good news: - Good developers will able to produce good code and with it some percent will develop into good products. The bad news: - There will be so much AI slop produced, we'll be drowning in it.

Jon Klaric 的头像
Jon Klaric2 个月前

Oh yeah, the bathrobe rants are back! Let's goooooo

Brett Anderson 的头像
Brett Anderson2 个月前

Thanks for another insightful rant! I appreciate you speaking from your expertise. So many people spew uneducated garbage. In my book that’s the more dangerous AI slop… uneducated, small minded garbage about how terrible agentic coding and AI is. What you put in you will get out.

Nanne 的头像
Nanne2 个月前

I find it to be valuable to artisanally design things like interfaces (API or between components) and DB tables. And then to slop inside the black box. When AI does anything from scratch , it just invents so much crap that you need to delete, and it will be worse

Hassan Abedi 📚🌿🦉🪬 的头像
Hassan Abedi 📚🌿🦉🪬2 个月前

@grok What's Uncle upto this early in the morning?

Robert 的头像
Robert2 个月前

From the guy who brought you artisanal hand-written slop.

Uncle Bob Martin 的头像
Uncle Bob Martin2 个月前

unclebob's grok bot detected a rude post. You have been blocked. (Plonk!)

torrito 的头像
torrito2 个月前

curios to know what kind of measuring you are referring to at 2:36

Meshak 的头像
Meshak2 个月前

people who liked writing code,

Manfred Müller 的头像
Manfred Müller2 个月前

Some thunder and lightning in the sky would help supporting your argument even more.

Andrei Maxim 的头像
Andrei Maxim2 个月前

I've seen this pattern a number of times in my career: Some guy somehow gets some funds for an idea, builds a company, hires an a guy that will program in anger the MVP and he'll take every shortcut possible unless there's something that's a pet peeve of his, in which case he'll build the most awful abstractions that only make sense to him, but the CEO is happy he's getting a somewhat working app for which the investors paid, so all is well. Two years later, the company will hire actual engineers that will see the amount of slop and slowly start migrating the app to a reasonable architecture and everybody will be pissed, including the original guy that's now a CTO, because new features are slow and his work of art is being deleted so he's trying to sabotage the refactoring in some way. Today, with agents, you get that guy for $200/mo, but there's no ego, no office politics, no powerplay. The agent will listen to you and it's fine if you delete everything it wrote and make it start from scratch. Also, you can tell it what you really think about the code (unless it's Claude, of course, gotta be mindful of the model's mental health!).

Scott Mackie 的头像
Scott Mackie1 个月前

Now I know who heath ledger based the joker on

JeffRod, Lethal Aid Designer 的头像
JeffRod, Lethal Aid Designer2 个月前

Hear hear. Having said that - I'm noticing the *effort required* varies by model and version. I have limited had data on this personally - but there's a distinct shift in vibes and efficacy. Meanwhile, Grok 4.6 gets at it.

Felix Tineo 的头像
Felix Tineo2 个月前

I love you uncle!

Tim Dentry 的头像
Tim Dentry2 个月前

What time do you wake up, Uncle Bob?

Harry Chen 的头像
Harry Chen2 个月前

What type of tools would people recommend to constrain the AI outputs, ensure good quality and lower complexity?

tawny 的头像
tawny2 个月前

i follow Unc

Christian Koller 的头像
Christian Koller2 个月前

Good to hear you voice of wisdom in the darkness of the AI era.

allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps 的头像
allOS.dev - Creating Cross-Platform Apps2 个月前

"Are you really so bad at estimating that you couldn't tell a six month project from a two week project?" You know, from all your years in IT, everyone is terrible @ estimating software projects.🤓 And, yes, VibeCoders are even worse at it, bec their only focus is: The Result

Marius Kalytis 的头像
Marius Kalytis2 个月前

It's so entertaining to watch your bathrobe rants. Also very educating and easy to understand.

tiltegog 的头像
tiltegog2 个月前

I agree, I built an application for our team, 122k lines of Python code, ya lots of dead code probably but it still works great, and it was done within a couple months vs me never being able to do it

JOHN CAVIAR 的头像
JOHN CAVIAR2 个月前

Play this 2X fast, and imagine. Heath ledger’s Joker. LOL.

Kyle Arnold 的头像
Kyle Arnold2 个月前

My new hero. TAKE CHARGE 😂

Alex Rebula 的头像
Alex Rebula2 个月前

I'm also sharpening my sword for 6 months now. 🤣

Tommy Ayonz 的头像
Tommy Ayonz2 个月前

I'm going to pass in Clean code as an md file....all should be good

El Polemista 🇺🇦 的头像
El Polemista 🇺🇦2 个月前

I think the "I don't read the code" was not accurate. You don't read every single line of code, and this is reasonable. If you are still accountable for the code, you have to read the code (not every single line of it)

Eugene Oldman 的头像
Eugene Oldman2 个月前

Bob "Hulk" Martin

Quo Vadis 的头像
Quo Vadis2 个月前

It's true but what makes you a good engineer? Isn't it writing code and making those all mistakes and improving itself time after time? Only if you understand deeply that all architecture stuff etc. you can multiply your work with agents creating that contraints.

The AI Peoples Champ 的头像
The AI Peoples Champ2 个月前

we've been using AI for coding (claude code) since it came out, and we use it full time for all our code now (99-100%). what it really takes is good config (CLAUDE.md), a well defined stack, specialized skills based on your app/stack and constraints for code reviews and tests.

Soufiane ODF 的头像
Soufiane ODF2 个月前

Cant agree more

Gocha 的头像
Gocha2 个月前

Hey grok bot, wish bob a nice day

Mr. K. 的头像
Mr. K.2 个月前

But... what if he didn't read the code for 6 months? :-P

Marcus Bransbury 的头像
Marcus Bransbury2 个月前

which leads to a question... what automated tests and quality gates help prevent "slop"? Heavy on integration tests + happy path e2e over 1000s of unit tests?

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