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Morning Bathrobe Rant. Quicksilver.

35,074 görüntüleme • 6 ay önce •via X (Twitter)

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CurtisForrester profil fotoğrafı
CurtisForrester6 ay önce

I'm convinced you're certifiably insane. Don't change one bit! Totally agree on your perspective. I'm just now telling my agent it screwed up on the last round of refactoring - because I saw the error in PyCharm. Build moar tests.

Uncle Bob Martin profil fotoğrafı
Uncle Bob Martin6 ay önce

It's OK to be a little crazy.

🍁Wesley Long profil fotoğrafı
🍁Wesley Long6 ay önce

These "Bathrobe Rants" are so amazing and so accurate!

Ivan Tokar profil fotoğrafı
Ivan Tokar6 ay önce

What we need is more like VDD, Verification Driven Development.

Dimitri Gilbert profil fotoğrafı
Dimitri Gilbert6 ay önce

i've hated TDD for so long i don't remember when it started... I've tried using that for some test project and now i can't imagine doing anything of a decent size with AI without that...

Leon Grapenthin profil fotoğrafı
Leon Grapenthin6 ay önce

Didn't you try this approach with your space game and eventually it started cheating, even with mutation tests and CRAP threshold?

Uncle Bob Martin profil fotoğrafı
Uncle Bob Martin6 ay önce

Yes, so I had to tighten up all the constraints. Now it behaves quite well.

victor profil fotoğrafı
victor6 ay önce

@swyx here is your headliner for next aieng nyc event go in debt if needed unc is so ahead

Victor Chan profil fotoğrafı
Victor Chan6 ay önce

Good vibe coding is good software engineering. We have had these practices for decades.

worldcraft profil fotoğrafı
worldcraft6 ay önce

This is where AI excels in the hands of tenured artisans. Thank you for sharing.

Henry Sowell profil fotoğrafı
Henry Sowell6 ay önce

Just found your account and really appreciate these rants. Thank you. Followed

Springblade 🇺🇸 profil fotoğrafı
Springblade 🇺🇸6 ay önce

Loving these morning bathrobe rants, keep them coming, helpful, t.y.

Deni profil fotoğrafı
Deni6 ay önce

you sure you can't just make a podcast? Cause I sure would listen to hours of that

Pablo Correa L profil fotoğrafı
Pablo Correa L6 ay önce

I love the voice, It reminds me Mark Hamill’s interpretation of the joker

ReD profil fotoğrafı
ReD6 ay önce

POV all your real features will break. It will just generate more and more tests and once you take a look everything is broken. It is an absolute necessity to have clear defined e2e tests. These tests must be maintained by another orchestrator or made to be hardly editable or else your agent will just change the tests to make it work.

Patrick Kuhnke profil fotoğrafı
Patrick Kuhnke6 ay önce

A rant a day keeps the doctor away.

Jeremy Tregunna profil fotoğrafı
Jeremy Tregunna6 ay önce

Yeah, that works, and is better suited for some environments. But let me also add to the discussion, property testing. Identify the property of your feature, and write a test that validates that property, then throw a random generator on your inputs, and run it N times. See what breaks...hopefully nothing. Then you're one step away from deterministic simulation testing, where you take those property tests, and you add some hooks in important places to introduce faults, like network connectivity issues (30% packet loss, for instance, hard disk latent sector, etc) and you see if your property still holds. Not a replacement for acceptance testing, but does allow you to keep acceptance tests more towards the frontend, and use a more effective tool on the backend.

KubaS profil fotoğrafı
KubaS6 ay önce

Classic tools remain highly relevant. Since LLMs mimic human logic, the tools designed for human developers continue to provide immense value. Let's be real - LLMs are remarkable machines, but not everything is now automatable. Maybe because of the llms maturity, or maybe because of the inherent nature of creating software.

Jesse Jr Lim (林振燊) profil fotoğrafı
Jesse Jr Lim (林振燊)6 ay önce

I've not had this problem good architecture helps

Uncle Bob Martin profil fotoğrafı
Uncle Bob Martin6 ay önce

Good architecture helps indeed. A good suite of unit tests helps too. And if you have a good suite of integration tests then those could be your acceptance tests. If you don't have those tests, expect the quicksilver.

Jesse Jr Lim (林振燊) profil fotoğrafı
Jesse Jr Lim (林振燊)6 ay önce

If had glitches and weird gremlins that get past tests usually with things like openGL

sh3rp profil fotoğrafı
sh3rp6 ay önce

TDD is making a comeback

Keys profil fotoğrafı
Keys6 ay önce

I dont do any of this and it always does what I want. Im confused.

Uncle Bob Martin profil fotoğrafı
Uncle Bob Martin6 ay önce

Good luck!

John D. Kane profil fotoğrafı
John D. Kane6 ay önce

Tell me you're using grok without telling me you're using grok.

Uncle Bob Martin profil fotoğrafı
Uncle Bob Martin6 ay önce

I'm using codex. And sometimes claude (when it works). I'm looking forward to using grok code soon.

Amir profil fotoğrafı
Amir6 ay önce

He will make a great Joker!!

Muhammad Motawe profil fotoğrafı
Muhammad Motawe6 ay önce

Yes, polluting the context messes things up. That's why I prefer "fix x" to any bloated md file structure people have been promoting

Hybrid 🏃🏾 profil fotoğrafı
Hybrid 🏃🏾6 ay önce

I think it’s about time to write a post on the software development life cycle for the beginners

Bill Vivino profil fotoğrafı
Bill Vivino6 ay önce

Your video was great and very accurate. That situation IS enough to send one screaming over the hill, isn't it?? My additional thoughts on such are contained in this article I wrote recently:

Souhail Marghabi profil fotoğrafı
Souhail Marghabi6 ay önce

@0xGorri

Swapnil Khambayat profil fotoğrafı
Swapnil Khambayat6 ay önce

Accept Acceptance test to accept the desired results!!

Chris B. Ward (e/bored) 🇬🇧🇮🇪🤐 profil fotoğrafı
Chris B. Ward (e/bored) 🇬🇧🇮🇪🤐6 ay önce

yep, vibe coding is for fools - use LLMs for inference on the abstraction and then automate the code generation. Everything is CRUD.

carlos profil fotoğrafı
carlos6 ay önce

it sounds more like Behavior Driven Development which i like more than TDD.

Nick Sunny profil fotoğrafı
Nick Sunny6 ay önce

Here is ready to go atdd claude plugin inspired by UB:

Springblade 🇺🇸 profil fotoğrafı
Springblade 🇺🇸6 ay önce

Claude Opus 4.6 in VS Code Insiders has been pretty near perfect for my vibe coding so far, everything is just Working, but I'm only building (cool) websites so far.

Mike Leitz 💡 profil fotoğrafı
Mike Leitz 💡6 ay önce

This is what’s next for AI Using AI to build canonical ai facilitators Tools and patterns that AI can use to create accurate and more reliable output For example, if you use ai to create some bash scripts those scripts all use one off logic for arg parsing, validation, etc AI can build a series of canonical bash lines for all the common sections in bash scripts This applies to all aspect of coding too Like how Bob talks about acceptance testing here Next step is to create things like this acceptance framework as a canonical component of how it creates applications Then tell context to always use it

Indie Dev profil fotoğrafı
Indie Dev6 ay önce

Hi @unclebobmartin, I agree 100%. With third-party libs you end up mocking their behavior in unit tests, and for complex flows like three-step auth you can't mock it correctly. Unit tests miss what actually happens. Acceptance tests catch it. Same with AI.

Tim Williams profil fotoğrafı
Tim Williams6 ay önce

Another software development fundamental that works well in the AI era. Except instead of the tests locking the mercury in for the team, they do it for the AI.

Farrukh Naveed Anjum profil fotoğrafı
Farrukh Naveed Anjum6 ay önce

Exactly same feelings @unclebobmartin

Daniel Vega profil fotoğrafı
Daniel Vega6 ay önce

Zoomers don't know what it's like to play with mercury with your own hands

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